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<DIV>Hi Eric Score T/o and landings ;-) Get some rest and judge less in one day.</DIV>
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<DIV>IT is a lot to sit out in the Judges chair all day I know that is true. However we should not forget about the scores for landing because we think its a waste of time.Landing is important to the pilot and all the pilots standing on the field.</DIV>
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<DIV>In a message dated 6/14/2005 12:56:00 AM Eastern Standard Time, pattern4u@comcast.net writes:</DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: blue 2px solid"><FONT face=Arial>An angle from the judges chair based upon being "in the chair' at the last <BR>ten Nat's<BR><BR>1. I never liked judging FAI's TO's and Landings because you have to watch <BR>the plane ALL the way around into the box, then all the way back to the <BR>ground after the last maneuver. I'm usually distracted and busy sorting out <BR>scribes in difficulty etc.<BR><BR>2. AMA classes were great. I could relax my eyes after the take-off and perk <BR>up just before the pilot came back into and called the box. Now I have to do <BR>FAI duty in all classes.<BR><BR>Multiply this by 20 plus pilots and 4 days and your eyes will creak <BR>audibly - no joke<BR><BR>Regards,<BR><BR>Eric.<BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR>----- Original Message ----- <BR>From: "Jerry Budd" <jerry@buddengineering.com><BR>To: <discussion@nsrca.org><BR>Sent: Monday, June 13, 2005 11:55 PM<BR>Subject: Re: Landing Direction; Spins, and Snaps. . .<BR><BR><BR>> Uhmm, Jerry -<BR>><BR>> What are using for your reference point in saying that you "never saw a 15 <BR>> sec. difference that could have been saved"? Stated another way, a <BR>> difference of 15 sec. from what? If at least one of the contest(s) you've <BR>> observed didn't score TO&L's (meaning other than 0 or 10) then what are <BR>> you comparing the measured times too? Did you have timed data from before <BR>> when TO&L's were scored from 0 to 10 to difference your measurements from? <BR>> Without that data to establish a baseline you can't make a quantitative <BR>> comparison, only a qualitative assessment (which is a fancy way of saying <BR>> "a person's opinion").<BR>><BR>> Please don't take my questions as an attack, they're NOT meant that way. <BR>> But collecting invalid data can be as bad, if not worse, than having no <BR>> data at all. And I'm not saying that the data you've collected is <BR>> invalid, just that one can't tell from what you wrote below. Since your <BR>> stated objective is to use the data to show the "rationale used to support <BR>> the current proposal was false and it never was backed up by real data", <BR>> then the legitimacy of your data becomes relevant.<BR>><BR>> Maybe I'm missing something here, can you help me understand how you were <BR>> collecting your data?<BR>><BR>> Jerry (the other one, out on the left coast)<BR>><BR>><BR>>>Terry, you are being generous. I actually timed and recorded a bunch of <BR>>>them at the last contest and never saw a 15 sec. difference that could <BR>>>have been saved. I intend to do this at every contest this year, and send <BR>>>a data file to all the Contest Board members during the next rules cycle. <BR>>>I think the rationale used to support the current proposal was false and <BR>>>it never was backed up by real data. Actually when you factored in the <BR>>>currently required maneuvers at TO, and at Landing, the overall total has <BR>>>to be longer. I guess they were allocating a large amount of time saved by <BR>>>the Gun and Go approach now being advocated/accepted.<BR>>>Jerry<BR>><BR>> -- <BR>> ___________<BR>> Jerry Budd<BR>> Budd Engineering<BR>> (661) 722-5669 Voice/Fax<BR>> (661) 435-0358 Cell Phone<BR>> mailto:jerry@buddengineering.com<BR>> http://www.buddengineering.com<BR>> =================================================<BR>> To access the email archives for this list, go to<BR>> http://lists.f3a.us/pipermail/nsrca-discussion/<BR>> To be removed from this list, go to http://www.nsrca.org/discussionA.htm<BR>> and follow the instructions.<BR>><BR>> List members email returned for mailbox full will be removed from the <BR>> list.<BR>> <BR><BR>=================================================<BR>To access the email archives for this list, go to<BR>http://lists.f3a.us/pipermail/nsrca-discussion/<BR>To be removed from this list, go to http://www.nsrca.org/discussionA.htm<BR>and follow the instructions.<BR><BR>List members email returned for mailbox full will be removed from the list.</FONT></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV>
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