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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Dave,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2> You are correct, submitting
proposals thru NSRCA is the BEST way. It should not be nor is it the
only way. I also agree with you that proposals submitted
outside the NSRCA create an unnecessary and unfair load on Don. Unless the
NSRCA is to break from the AMA (not a bad idea) then submissions outside the
NSRCA is an option open to all AMA members.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2> Can the load of the rules
interpetation be shifted back to the submitter ? If they cannot
provide a rationale for the rule and details that support it and do not require
interpetation - then its file 13. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2> The option to submit individual
rules proposals should not relieve the individual of making a proposal without
obvious contradictions. If there are contradictions within the proposal or
relative to the existing rules then let the submitter fix it.
Freedom of self expression is not without responsibility.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Regardless,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Paul</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
<DIV
style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=DaveL322@comcast.net href="mailto:DaveL322@comcast.net">David
Lockhart</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=discussion@nsrca.org
href="mailto:discussion@nsrca.org">discussion@nsrca.org</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Monday, June 13, 2005 10:45
PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: Landing Direction</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Paul,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>You are suggesting that entering proposals
outside of the NSRCA would be preferable?</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I'm aware of 2 major "fiascos" (fiascii??) from
the last rules cycle -</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>1) The new wording for the spin
entries.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>2) The new takeoff/landing
procedures.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Both were generated outside of the NSRCA.
Both have required huge expenditures of time by Don Ramsey and anyone with
knowledge of the rules attempting to explain just how these new rules/criteria
are to be applied. The general consensus is that both are poorly worded
and create conflicts with the existing guidelines and rules. It is a
simple matter of fact that the wording (and supporting rationale) regarding
spins is self contradicting, contradictory to general criteria/guidelines in
the rules, and describes a scenario which is </FONT><FONT face=Arial
size=2>technically impossible. Another simple fact is that the majority
do not support unscored takeoffs and landings.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>There is absolutely no doubt in my mind that we
would be far better off if the 2 referenced proposals were never
submitted. Just my singular opinion, but I'm willing to be the majority
agree.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>The NSRCA survey, rules committee, and proposal
process to the AMA is not perfect - however, it is much better than the
process previously. As has been stated on this list,
membership in the NSRCA does not prohibit an individuals option to submit
proposals outside of the NSRCA - however, I think it is pretty clear what an
individuals priorities are when they submit competing proposals. The
process certainly doesn't benefit from competing proposals by NSRCA members
(Officers in some cases) which only serves to weaken and undermine the efforts
of the NSRCA.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>BTW - I agree landing is more difficult than
taking off - of course many maneuvers of differing difficulty have the same
K-Factor - a different discussion entirely.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Regards,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2><BR>Dave</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
<DIV
style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=paul.horan@sbcglobal.net
href="mailto:paul.horan@sbcglobal.net">Paul Horan</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=discussion@nsrca.org
href="mailto:discussion@nsrca.org">discussion@nsrca.org</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Monday, June 13, 2005 9:22
PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> RE: Landing Direction</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2> Seems to me that landings
should have a higher K factor than take offs. A k of 2 for landing
would be good or maybe even higher. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2> As far as entering a rules
proposal outside of NSRCA - the last fiasco seems to be a major PLUS for
doing so. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial
size=2>Paul</FONT></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>