<DIV>That was kinda my point. Except, on the list here, personallity conflicts cause much of the discussion. Also have to recognise this list is a very very small percentage of people who actually fly at your local contests.</DIV>
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<DIV>Most at local contests don't get into the bickering or discussion, as it may be. They want to know what the CD says, and what the rules say, not in that specific order.</DIV>
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<DIV>Ed<BR><BR><B><I>"Atwood, Mark" <atwoodm@paragon-inc.com></I></B> wrote:</DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">I can’t say I disagree BUT… can we really say we’re not grumpy rule book carrying cutthroats when I can print off a 300 email thread arguing about how to do a stupid take-off??? And of course we all know the rules…if you don’t…you’re pretty much guaranteed a zero NOT for your flying…but for some meaningless procedural infraction. Let’s face it…we’re all (myself included) just a tad more anal than the IMAC crew.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal><B><FONT face=Tahoma size=2><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma">From:</SPAN></FONT></B><FONT face=Tahoma size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma"> discussion-request@nsrca.org [mailto:discussion-request@nsrca.org] <B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">On Behalf Of </SPAN></B>Ed Deaver<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</SPAN></B> Monday, July 25, 2005 6:11 PM<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To:</SPAN></B> <?xml:namespace prefix = st1 ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" /><st1:PersonName w:st="on">discussion@nsrca.org</st1:PersonName><BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject:</SPAN></B> Re: Does Pattern competition cost too much?</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">Having flown both IMAC and Pattern competitively this is still what I see.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">Pattern is PERCEIVED as a bunch of grumpy, rule book carrying, cutthroat pilots flying expensive, speciallized and hard to get planes that are only good for one thing, Pattern. I know this not to be true, but this is the perception. You can build from start, a competitive Pattern plane through FAI for $2-2.5K.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">IMAC is PERCEIVED as a bunch of fun loving, 3D'ing, laid back group of pilots being able to fly any plane.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">Truth of course is any plane only works for the prodigy, and in Basic, but can be flown in Pattern also. A 40% is going to run you $7K minimum, with some vehicle and possibly trailer to fly. I have had 10 or more Pattern guys offer help when something breaks at a pattern contest, and at an IMAC contest, out of 40 pilots, only 1 will offer help. Most IMAC guys don't even know the rules, whereas almost all Pattern pilots know the rules. But are willing to help anyone.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">In my experience the PERCEPTIONS are completely backwards, but perception is reality!!!!!!!<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">If we work to change the perception we will succeed in getting more people to fly pattern. But, look at the discussions on this list about miniscule details, and it is easy to see why some say what they say.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">Lastly, the way pilots are treated at contests was brought up to me. Going to a contest, and not having to sit in the "chair" is a big factor. It was stated, feeling as though the club was grateful you came, as opposed to making a pilot work for coming to the contest. Not sure I totally agree, but that is what I was told.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">From time to time I hear folks suggesting the reason the number of contestants is down is due to the high cost of pattern planes and support equipment. Well I don't believe that is the reason. This weekend I went to a relatively local IMAC contest in <st1:place w:st="on"><st1:City w:st="on">Camarillo</st1:City> <st1:State w:st="on">California</st1:State></st1:place> and there were somthing like 61 preregistered and 56 actually flying. I'd guess 80% of the planes were 40% scale, meaning they had $1500 engines and $3000 airframes and $1500 worth of servos. Then you've got the motor homes and trucks and trailers to transport them. I still say the highest cost of flying is the driving to and from the field and that is probably why the park flyers are so popular. </SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
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