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<DIV>This IS published in advance, and all pilots know it, so there is no
problem, at least there was not in the 7 years I was involved. We certainly do
not need more rules!!!! Especially a national rule that pertains to just one, 4
day event a year!</DIV>
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<DIV>While on the subject of rules changes. A while ago I commented on the
"dumbing down" of the Advance pattern, and had just one or two comments. How
many of you Advance fliers think that it is prudent to go from 4 inverted
maneuvers to NONE. How is that possibly going to prepare you for the difficulty
of Masters??? Have any of you even looked at the proposal? How many of you have
flown the 2 proposed schedules?</DIV>
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<DIV> Sure would like to hear some comments from other Advance and Masters
pilots, pro or con!!</DIV>
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<DIV>Terry T.</DIV>
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<DIV>On Wed, 27 Jul 2005 18:05:57 -0500 "Bob Pastorello" <<A
href="mailto:rcaerobob@cox.net">rcaerobob@cox.net</A>> writes:</DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>As a "non Nats" guy at the present - a thought -
since a Rules cycle submittal is pending, I think that ANY considerations
about "penalties" for not judging had BETTER BE BUILT INTO AMA
rules.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>The AMA Sanctions a national event, and I would
bet dollars to donuts that a subsequent protest for zeroed rounds would WIN -
due to the fact that there is NO AMA provision in the rules to cover the
situations you all are describing.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I'm not taking sides, nor pointing
fingers/blame.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Simply suggesting that NOW is the time to try and
get a rule change to support the propositions of "enforcement". Could be
important.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2><BR>Bob Pastorello<BR><A
href="http://www.rcaerobats.net">www.rcaerobats.net</A><BR><A
href="mailto:rcaerobob@cox.net">rcaerobob@cox.net</A></FONT></DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
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style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=vanputte@cox.net href="mailto:vanputte@cox.net">Ron Van Putte</A>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=discussion@nsrca.org
href="mailto:discussion@nsrca.org">discussion@nsrca.org</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, July 27, 2005 10:14
AM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: Nats Judging Rebate-keep
their best SCORE!</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV><BR>On Jul 27, 2005, at 9:48 AM, Gray E Fowler wrote:<BR><BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE><?smaller>Money does not matter, scores do. In the past, was
it not work or lose your best round? THAT keeps people on their toes.<?/smaller> <BR></BLOCKQUOTE><BR>That's done now.<BR><BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE><?smaller>I also heard that some people coming to FAI
and Masters did not submit TWO frequencies, creating matrix hassles. Same
here- assign the matrix to make sense and if the person does not have his
alternate frequency as was requested on the NATS entry form then he simply
does not fly that round. The CD needs relief, and the contestants need the
MOST fair matrix that can be had.<?/smaller><BR></BLOCKQUOTE><BR>No argument
here.<BR><BR>Ron Van Putte<BR><BR><BR>
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<BLOCKQUOTE><BR><?smaller><?x-tad-smaller>Nats Judging Rebate<?/x-tad-smaller><?/smaller></BLOCKQUOTE>
<BLOCKQUOTE><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><TT><?x-tad-smaller>Last week at the
Nats, I had a talk with Nats event director, Dave
<?/x-tad-smaller></TT><BR><TT><?x-tad-smaller>Guerin about judging
no-shows. On the very first morning, Dave had
at<?/x-tad-smaller></TT><BR><TT><?x-tad-smaller>least three no-shows (F3A
pilots who were supposed to judge the Master
<?/x-tad-smaller></TT><BR><TT><?x-tad-smaller>class). You can
imagine the frustration of trying to reschedule pilots
<?/x-tad-smaller></TT><BR><TT><?x-tad-smaller>to cover for them, not to
mention the delay in getting the events <?/x-tad-smaller></TT><BR><TT><?x-tad-smaller>started. This was not
an isolated case. It happened over and over
<?/x-tad-smaller></TT><BR><TT><?x-tad-smaller>during the week. Some
just forgot when they were supposed to judge.
<?/x-tad-smaller></TT><BR><TT><?x-tad-smaller>There were even some
who were scheduled to judge on the third day, who
<?/x-tad-smaller></TT><BR><TT><?x-tad-smaller>decided to leave after two
days and didn't tell anyone.<?/x-tad-smaller></TT><BR><BR><TT><?x-tad-smaller>We discussed
having a "$50 judging rebate". It would work like this: <?/x-tad-smaller></TT><BR><TT><?x-tad-smaller>In addition to the
normal entry fees, $50 would be collected. If a
<?/x-tad-smaller></TT><BR><TT><?x-tad-smaller>pilot showed up to perform
his scheduled judging session, he'd get a <?/x-tad-smaller></TT><BR><TT><?x-tad-smaller>$50 rebate. If a pilot
didn't show up to perform his scheduled judging
<?/x-tad-smaller></TT><BR><TT><?x-tad-smaller>session, the replacement
judge would get the $50. BTW, the normal
<?/x-tad-smaller></TT><BR><TT><?x-tad-smaller>stipend for pilots who
perform extra judging sessions is $30.
<?/x-tad-smaller></TT><BR><TT><?x-tad-smaller>Comments?<?/x-tad-smaller></TT><BR><BR><TT><?x-tad-smaller>Ron
Van
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