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From: Jarvis Johnson <love2flypattern@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Advanced Group
To: "Troy A. Newman" <troy_newman@msn.com>
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Hey Troy:
 
Thank you for your feedback.  Here is another sequence that I came up with.
 
 
1. Take Off - (U) K-1
2. Stall Turn with 3/4 roll up and down, exit upright - (U) K-3
3. Half Reverse Cuban Eight - (T) K-1
4. Slow Roll - (D) K-3
5. Half Inside Loop with 2 of 4 point roll - (T) K-2
6. Inside/Outside Vertical Eight - (U) K-4
7. Figure 9 mid-entry with 1/2 roll down, exit upright - (T) K-3
8. Pyramid Loop with 1/2 roll on 45 degree up and down - (D) K-3
9. Half Square Loop with 2 of 4 point roll in the vertical - (T) K-2
10. 3-Turn Spin - (U) K03
11. Pull Pull Humpty Bump with 1/2 roll down - (T) K-3
12. Four-Point Roll - (D) K-4
13. Immelman Turn with 2 of 2 point roll, exit inverted - (T) K-2
14. 45 Degree down one with one negative snap - (U) K-2
15. Top Hat with 1/4 roll, enter inverted, exit upright - (T) K-2
16. Reverse Knife-Edge - (D) K-4
17. Stall Turn with 1/2 roll up and down - (T) K-2
18. Avalanche - (U) K-3
19. Landing Sequence - (U) K-1
 
Total K-Factor: 44


"Troy A. Newman" <troy_newman@msn.com> wrote:Jarvis,
 
Looks pretty good. Thanks for the input....
 
Couple of notes...
 
#4 45 down snaps should always be done upwind.
 
#11 Figure 9 and #12 slow roll  box is really going to be crowded...
 
Then 13-14-15 the top hat should be after the avalanche. Reason being the snaps will translate sideways and the cross box figures are used to correct this after it happens. Back up above with the 45 down snap...the Humpty with options is the correction afterwards.
 
This is a really good stab at things...I like it a few tweaks aside. I think a little rearranging of some stuff and its a very good option. We'll need to fly it some...but see what you can do to tweak these couple things....
 
Other comments from the group?
 
Troy
 
 
----- Original Message ----- 
From: Jarvis Johnson 
To: Troy A. Newman 
Sent: Sunday, April 03, 2005 9:32 PM
Subject: Re: Advanced Group


Hey Troy:
 
Here is a proposed schedule for Advanced that I have come up with.  Can you take a look at it?
 
1. Take Off - (U) K-1
2. Stall Turn with 3/4 roll up and down, exit upright - (U) K-3
3. Immelman Turn with 2 of 4 point roll, exit upright - (T) K-2
4. 45 Degree Down with one Positive Snap - (D) K-3
5. Humpty Bump with Option - (T) K-2
6. Cobra with 2 of 4 point roll up and down - (U) K-2
7. Stall Turn with 1/2 roll up and down - (T) K-2
8. Four-point Roll - (D) K-4
9. Half Square Loop with 2 of 4 point roll in the vertical - (T) K-2
10. Inside-Outside Vertical Eight - (U) K-4
11. Figure 9 mid-entry with 1/2 roll down, exit upright - (T) K-3
12. Slow Roll - (D) K-3
13. Top Hat with 1/4 roll - (T) K-2
14. Avalanche - (U) K-3
15. Stall Turn with full roll up and down - (T) K-2
16. 45-Degree Pyramid Loop with half roll on the up and down 45-degree leg - (D) K-3
17. Half Square Loop with 1/2 roll in vertical - (T) K-2
18. 2 1/2 Turn Spin with 1/2 roll out - (U) K-4
19. Landing Sequence - (U) K-1
 
Total K-Factor: 48
 
Will you tell me what you think?  If okay, please forward to the advanced group.
Thanks and I'll see you at Riverside contest.  Take care.
 
Jarvis Johnson
 


"Troy A. Newman" <troy_newman@msn.com> wrote:
Hi Gents,

Advanced
Mike Hester
Bill Pritchett
Chris White
Tim Taylor
Jarvis Johnson


attached are some old schedules and the design criteria we want to use for
this class. Please work some details of the schedule out. We want about 2-3
schedules. Now realize that things will change a little and don't get sold
on one specific figure. There are more than enough for us to use for the
teaching and testing this class is designed to fill. Its OK to have similar
groups of figure to the current or even an
older schedule. Some tweaking and playing can really make a schedule flow
very well.


Another thing I want you all to notice is how much harder today the current
Advanced may be or is compared to those of the last few years. We need to be
careful to teach skills and not test airframes or nerves.


Thanks,

Troy




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<DIV>
<DIV>Hey Troy:</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Thank you for your feedback.  Here is another sequence that I came up with.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>1. Take Off - (U) K-1</DIV>
<DIV>2. Stall Turn with 3/4 roll up and down, exit upright - (U) K-3</DIV>
<DIV>3. Half Reverse Cuban Eight - (T) K-1</DIV>
<DIV>4. Slow Roll - (D) K-3</DIV>
<DIV>5. Half Inside Loop with 2 of 4 point roll - (T) K-2</DIV>
<DIV>6. Inside/Outside Vertical Eight - (U) K-4</DIV>
<DIV>7. Figure 9 mid-entry with 1/2 roll down, exit upright - (T) K-3</DIV>
<DIV>8. Pyramid Loop with 1/2 roll on 45 degree up and down - (D) K-3</DIV>
<DIV>9. Half Square Loop with 2 of 4 point roll in the vertical - (T) K-2</DIV>
<DIV>10. 3-Turn Spin - (U) K03</DIV>
<DIV>11. Pull Pull Humpty Bump with 1/2 roll down - (T) K-3</DIV>
<DIV>12. Four-Point Roll - (D) K-4</DIV>
<DIV>13. Immelman Turn with 2 of 2 point roll, exit inverted - (T) K-2</DIV>
<DIV>14. 45 Degree down one with one negative snap - (U) K-2</DIV>
<DIV>15. Top Hat with 1/4 roll, enter inverted, exit upright - (T) K-2</DIV>
<DIV>16. Reverse Knife-Edge - (D) K-4</DIV>
<DIV>17. Stall Turn with 1/2 roll up and down - (T) K-2</DIV>
<DIV>18. Avalanche - (U) K-3</DIV>
<DIV>19. Landing Sequence - (U) K-1</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Total K-Factor: 44</DIV><BR><BR><B><I>"Troy A. Newman" <troy_newman@msn.com></I></B> wrote:
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Jarvis,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Looks pretty good. Thanks for the input....</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Couple of notes...</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>#4 45 down snaps should always be done upwind.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>#11 Figure 9 and #12 slow roll  box is really going to be crowded...</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Then 13-14-15 the top hat should be after the avalanche. Reason being the snaps will translate sideways and the cross box figures are used to correct this after it happens. Back up above with the 45 down snap...the Humpty with options is the correction afterwards.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>This is a really good stab at things...I like it a few tweaks aside. I think a little rearranging of some stuff and its a very good option. We'll need to fly it some...but see what you can do to tweak these couple things....</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Other comments from the group?</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Troy</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
<DIV style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B> <A title=love2flypattern@yahoo.com href="mailto:love2flypattern@yahoo.com">Jarvis Johnson</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=troy_newman@msn.com href="mailto:troy_newman@msn.com">Troy A. Newman</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Sunday, April 03, 2005 9:32 PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: Advanced Group</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV>Hey Troy:</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV>Here is a proposed schedule for Advanced that I have come up with.  Can you take a look at it?</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>1. Take Off - (U) K-1</DIV>
<DIV>2. Stall Turn with 3/4 roll up and down, exit upright - (U) K-3</DIV>
<DIV>3. Immelman Turn with 2 of 4 point roll, exit upright - (T) K-2</DIV>
<DIV>4. 45 Degree Down with one Positive Snap - (D) K-3</DIV>
<DIV>5. Humpty Bump with Option - (T) K-2</DIV>
<DIV>6. Cobra with 2 of 4 point roll up and down - (U) K-2</DIV>
<DIV>7. Stall Turn with 1/2 roll up and down - (T) K-2</DIV>
<DIV>8. Four-point Roll - (D) K-4</DIV>
<DIV>9. Half Square Loop with 2 of 4 point roll in the vertical - (T) K-2</DIV>
<DIV>10. Inside-Outside Vertical Eight - (U) K-4</DIV>
<DIV>11. Figure 9 mid-entry with 1/2 roll down, exit upright - (T) K-3</DIV>
<DIV>12. Slow Roll - (D) K-3</DIV>
<DIV>13. Top Hat with 1/4 roll - (T) K-2</DIV>
<DIV>14. Avalanche - (U) K-3</DIV>
<DIV>15. Stall Turn with full roll up and down - (T) K-2</DIV>
<DIV>16. 45-Degree Pyramid Loop with half roll on the up and down 45-degree leg - (D) K-3</DIV>
<DIV>17. Half Square Loop with 1/2 roll in vertical - (T) K-2</DIV>
<DIV>18. 2 1/2 Turn Spin with 1/2 roll out - (U) K-4</DIV>
<DIV>19. Landing Sequence - (U) K-1</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Total K-Factor: 48</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Will you tell me what you think?  If okay, please forward to the advanced group.</DIV>
<DIV>Thanks and I'll see you at Riverside contest.  Take care.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Jarvis Johnson</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><BR><BR><B><I>"Troy A. Newman" <troy_newman@msn.com></I></B> wrote:</DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE class=replbq style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #1010ff 2px solid">Hi Gents,<BR><BR>Advanced<BR>Mike Hester<BR>Bill Pritchett<BR>Chris White<BR>Tim Taylor<BR>Jarvis Johnson<BR><BR><BR>attached are some old schedules and the design criteria we want to use for<BR>this class. Please work some details of the schedule out. We want about 2-3<BR>schedules. Now realize that things will change a little and don't get sold<BR>on one specific figure. There are more than enough for us to use for the<BR>teaching and testing this class is designed to fill. Its OK to have similar<BR>groups of figure to the current or even an<BR>older schedule. Some tweaking and playing can really make a schedule flow<BR>very well.<BR><BR><BR>Another thing I want you all to notice is how much harder today the current<BR>Advanced may be or is compared to those of the last few years. We need to be<BR>careful to teach skills and not test airframes or
 nerves.<BR><BR><BR>Thanks,<BR><BR>Troy<BR></BLOCKQUOTE><BR><BR>
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