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<DIV><SPAN class=137015816-29072005>Hey Don,</SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=137015816-29072005>Yes ... or is that I'm just
jaded? </SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=137015816-29072005>The old Procedure Turn and Figure 8
were "mostly useful" maneuvers.</SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=137015816-29072005><SPAN class=137015816-29072005>On a windy
day, those were real skill maneuvers, but space consumptive.</SPAN></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=137015816-29072005><SPAN class=137015816-29072005></SPAN>In
good conditions, they did little to help decide a contest.</SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=137015816-29072005>That problem is that now one of our design
constraints is the lessening our noise footprint.</SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=137015816-29072005></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=137015816-29072005></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=137015816-29072005>Now if we could just convince FAI to make
all rollers in a vertical plane!</SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=137015816-29072005>You see, even the supposed experts don't
think some things through.</SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=137015816-29072005></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=137015816-29072005>best regards,</SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=137015816-29072005> Dean</SPAN></DIV>
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<P><FONT face="Times New Roman">Dean Pappas</FONT> <BR><FONT
face="Times New Roman">Sr. Design Engineer</FONT> <BR><FONT
face="Times New Roman">Kodeos Communications</FONT> <BR><FONT
face="Times New Roman">111 Corporate Blvd.</FONT> <BR><FONT
face="Times New Roman">South Plainfield, N.J. 07080</FONT> <BR><FONT
face="Times New Roman">(908) 222-7817 phone</FONT> <BR><FONT
face="Times New Roman">(908) 222-2392 fax</FONT> <BR><FONT
face="Times New Roman">d.pappas@kodeos.com</FONT> </P>
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face=Tahoma>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B>
discussion-request@nsrca.org [mailto:discussion-request@nsrca.org]<B>On Behalf
Of </B>AtwoodDon@aol.com<BR><B>Sent:</B> Friday, July 29, 2005 11:21
AM<BR><B>To:</B> discussion@nsrca.org<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: [SPAM] Re: 2007
Advanced Patterns<BR><BR></FONT></DIV><FONT id=role_document face=Arial>
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<DIV>Hey Dean, do you think our gray hair (or lack thereof) is starting to
show? I think Sportsman should try the old Procedure Turn and
Horizontal Eight (whoops, can't do that one, it heads for the judges at the
end and would be way too long ;-) But talk about 'exposure',
yikes!!!</DIV>
<DIV></DIV>
<DIV>Don</DIV>
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<DIV>In a message dated 7/29/2005 6:59:34 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
d.pappas@kodeos.com writes:</DIV>
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<DIV><SPAN class=731095613-29072005>Hi Tom,</SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=731095613-29072005>I especially agree with the point you
make about the teaching of the "multiples" maneuvers. The third roll is the
one that demonstrates continued control!</SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=731095613-29072005>The third loop adds time (which may have
been the problem) but it adds exposure! Exposure time, in a maneuver, is a
large part of the difficulty (as opposed to complexity) and this is moreso
in the wind.</SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=731095613-29072005>Regards,</SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=731095613-29072005> Dean</SPAN></DIV>
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<P><FONT face="Times New Roman">Dean Pappas</FONT> <BR><FONT
face="Times New Roman">Sr. Design Engineer</FONT> <BR><FONT
face="Times New Roman">Kodeos Communications</FONT> <BR><FONT
face="Times New Roman">111 Corporate Blvd.</FONT> <BR><FONT
face="Times New Roman">South Plainfield, N.J. 07080</FONT> <BR><FONT
face="Times New Roman">(908) 222-7817 phone</FONT> <BR><FONT
face="Times New Roman">(908) 222-2392 fax</FONT> <BR><FONT
face="Times New Roman">d.pappas@kodeos.com</FONT> </P>
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<DIV class=OutlookMessageHeader dir=ltr align=left><FONT
face=Tahoma>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B>
discussion-request@nsrca.org [mailto:discussion-request@nsrca.org]<B>On
Behalf Of </B>AtwoodDon@aol.com<BR><B>Sent:</B> Friday, July 29, 2005 9:40
AM<BR><B>To:</B> discussion@nsrca.org<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: [SPAM] Re:
2007 Advanced Patterns<BR><BR></FONT></DIV><FONT face=Arial>
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<DIV>Well, I have avoided jumping in here for as long as I can but here
goes.</DIV>
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<DIV>First, the proposals as presented are not cast in stone, nor
mandatory changes to the current schedules, they are sets of proposed
changes of which we are asking the pattern community (not just NSRCA
members) to express their opinion by selecting one of the alternatives in
each class (as a recommendation to AMA). As previously stated in
this discussion group, anyone (and everyone) is free to submit their own
proposed sequences to the AMA for consideration. However, we had
hoped this approach would generate a preferred solution representative of
most of our pattern community and help pave the way to improving the
logical progression thru sequences.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Second, these proposed sequences are not one person's idea, they were
generated by a committee with many hours of thought and discussion and
actual flying of the sequences to come up with not one, but two
alternatives in each class. This was done by volunteers for the
committee that spent many, many hours working on this. I doubt any
single individual out there would have come up with a similar approach and
results.</DIV>
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<DIV>Third, I was involved in early discussions about the approach to this
exercise and spent quite a bit of time discussing the intent of this
exercise with Troy. He and the entire Sequences Committee were very
focused on generating new sequences as balanced as possible, but (get
this, it is a very important part) also generating sequences focused on
building progressive basic-intermediate-advanced flying skills that
actually require the pilot to 'fly' the plane rather than relying on being
able to bang the stick over and come out the other side of the
maneuver. In my opinion, about 10-12 years ago, we got so
focused on making it easy to get into pattern with simple sequences we
lost the part about learning some of the flying requirements. What
happened to having to do MULTIPLE loops or rolls. Anyone can close
their eyes and do one loop or roll then recover with recovery being the
most active part of the maneuver. The proposed sequences (either in
each class) provide a logical and balanced (as much as practical)
progression from sets of skill sets to the next level. I would even
guess existing pattern flyers in the entry classes may find the new
sequences to actually be more difficult to fly (notice the word fly) well
than the current sequences, however, in doing so they will have learned
more about actual flying than they do now. </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Sorry for the long winded message here, but I would ask everyone to
consider the intentions of the proposed sequences as well as the sequences
themselves. I believe our current sequence schedules actually create
more of a gap between the entry level classes and the higher classes
because the lower class sequences actually lack some of the building
blocks of developing flying skills which forces the competitors to take
larger 'skill' steps as they approach the higher classes. The
proposed sequences smooth those gaps more evenly and introduce maneuvers
designed to enhance those building blocks rather than just making it easy
to get thru the entry sequences. </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Personally, I think the Sequences Committee led by Troy Newman are to
be commended for the thought they put into these proposals as well as
their personal time discussing, flying, reworking and finalizing these
proposals. Obviously thankless work as witnessed by some of the
comments and sniping that has gone on recently on this group.
Anyway, I have made my selections on the sequences, hope you all have
to. Thanks Troy and group, most of us appreciate your efforts and
intentions.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Don Atwood</DIV></DIV></FONT></BLOCKQUOTE></FONT></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV>
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