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I agree 100% with Verne. In fact, I would absolutely agree to judge 2
days at the NATS instead of the 1 day if that meant we would have a 5
judge panel for all rounds in all classes. As it is, one judge CAN
affect and change the outcome of the contest. This should never be the
case. The guys flying advanced this yr need only look at what happened
in round 5 to see that one judge can change the contest. If we are
going to Muncie to just have a contest, then leave it at 3 judges, but
if we really want to make sure that we have accurately and fairly
chosen, then we need 5 with the high and low dropped per maneuver.<br>
<br>
Chris<br>
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Verne Koester wrote:
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<div><font face="Arial">Eric,</font></div>
<div><font face="Arial">I doubt that it's in the AMA rules. It's just
the way it's always been done. Otherwise, there's no need to bother
using 5 judges. I think it's probably in the FAI rules somewhere, but
I suspect that's for World Championships which wouldn't apply here.
However, we've always used 5 for them as well and dropped the high and
low, and again, if we don't, why bother using 5 judges. You can use 2
or 3 or 5 or 7 and one cheater (or bad judge if you choose) can tip the
scales in any direction they choose, whether to make sure someone wins
or someone loses.</font></div>
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<div><font face="Arial">My purpose in pointing this out is to prevent
it from happening in the future. I think it would be a huge mistake to
do anything that changes the posted results from this Nats. The outcry
could only damage our credibility and attendance at future Nats would
suffer. There'd be sour grapes from those who got moved down as well as
from those who moved up.</font></div>
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<div><font face="Arial">On the other hand, there was a lot of buzzing
going on amongst the Masters competitors all through the Nats about the
scores one particular pilot was getting. I wasn't made aware of it
until Tuesday and then I started paying attention as well. Most thought
the guy wasn't flying well enough to make the Finals but everyone knew
he would with the scores he was getting. Most figured the system
(dropping the hi/low) would finally do him in during the Finals and
he'd probably finish last in that group. You know the rest and his
caller's scores put him very near the top since they weren't dropped.</font></div>
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<div><font face="Arial">I think I speak for everyone when I say we
only want a fair shake and the closest we can get to that is the
traditional method of dropping the hi and low with 5 judges. Take that
away, and I don't see much sense in going through all the time and
expense it takes to be competitive in that arena. Having said all that,
I still emphasize what a mistake it would be to change the posted
results from this year. We just need to make sure it doesn't happen
again.</font></div>
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<div><font face="Arial">vk</font></div>
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<a title="pattern4u@comcast.net" href="mailto:pattern4u@comcast.net">Grow
Pattern</a> </div>
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Friday, July 29, 2005 7:02 PM</div>
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Scoring formula</div>
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<div><font face="Arial" size="2">Verne,</font></div>
<div><font face="Arial" size="2"> I could write the
following and say it as an answer to almost everything I had to get
working this year. "Nothing is written down", [It will not be like that
next year believe me!]</font></div>
<div> </div>
<div><font face="Arial" size="2">It may be somewhere, but I find
myself asking for help to find it..</font></div>
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<div><font face="Arial" size="2">In this case the "it" is, where
can I find the rules on five panel judging or larger panels for<strong>
AMA</strong> contests? Dave G. is looking for the <strong>FAI</strong>
rules.</font></div>
<div> </div>
<div><font face="Arial" size="2">If you know "where" for either
please point me. Spent a fruitless day chasing this ghost.</font></div>
<div> </div>
<div><font face="Arial" size="2">My plan BTW, is to re-crunch the
numbers with high and low scores dropped per maneuver because that is
what was done last year. May have to update Gene's program as well.</font></div>
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<div><font face="Arial" size="2">Regards,</font></div>
<div><font face="Arial" size="2"><br>
Eric.</font></div>
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