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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Rodney,</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>There is no bigger gap in the KF on the proposals
than now with present Advanced to the Masters of today. My point is in looking
at KF's alone the 48 or 49 to KF of 67...The current schedules we have now is a
jump from 50 to 68 so the difference is at worse 1 pt in the KF...And at best
its equal meaning the SAME as the current jump.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>My personal opinion is that if you can master the
skills in the proposals then you are ready for the 404 class. Notice I said
master the skills not can you do the figures.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Pattern flying is about mastering and perfecting
the skills at various level. When asked why people fly pattern the number one
answer is they got started to learn how to fly better. What would you rather
do....go up and survive an inverted to inverted 8pt roll and get a 5 or 6 on it
every time...Or would you rather build the skill to do a upright 4pt roll at the
score of a 9 every single time and sometimes get a 10. Once you have the skill
of the 4pt roll then you can do one from inverted to inverted the skills are
still there.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Like I have stated we are not vested in anyway or
married to these schedules. We developed options that we thought would teach
skills...in the case of advanced we felt the sequence should be more skill
building than a masters class pattern with fewer figures. As I stated in
the previous email the skills are used in the patterns for 403 and will teach
the needed skills for 404...then 404 can teach you skills needed to move to FAI
406. The goal is to have a logical progression of the sequences a stepping stone
mentality. The current jump from 402 to 403 is large and yet the 403-404 jump is
fairly small in the skill set department. This is a fact of life that we are
living with today. This seemingly inequitable situation can be corrected with
the options A and B for 2007 or we can leave it alone. The vote is in your
hands. </FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>What the heck is so different in the current to the
proposals other than inverted exits? Does having an inverted exit make you a
better pilot? Does it teach you to do a better 4pt roll or slow roll....If you
can't do one upright and score a 9 on it then why should we ask you to do one
inverted to inverted?</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Lets look at the current schedules skills and
compare to A and B skills.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Reverse Cuban 8 in current and option
B</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Stall turn with out rolls in current A and B have
stall turns with 1/2s and a center stall turn components</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Slow roll in current and A and B</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>1/2 square loop 2/4pt in all three
sequences</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Slow roll again all 3 sequences</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Square loop with 1/2's on vertical legs...Current
and Option A</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Bunt 1/2 roll out in all 3</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Double I 1/2 on top full roll on btm. In
current but look at its components...the triangle with full roll from inverted
at the top takes the full roll at the btm of the Double I..Then you have
Immelman turn to take the first part of this figure, and bunts to take the
second half of the figure...So all the skills are still used. Just you are not
exiting anything inverted.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Outside Immelman turn.....Bunt skills and Immelamnn
turn skills are in A and B</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>45 down negative snap...so option A and B have a 45
down positive snap so does the current 404 Masters schedule..and that is a
direct preparation figure right? How does a 45 down negative snap help you
prepare for a Masters with a positive an more than or less than a reversed
orientation?</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Top Hat with 1/4's in all 3 schedules</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Triangle loop with 2/4pt...Triangle in Option B and
diamond in Option A teach the 45 lines and the 2/4pt roll element is in the 4pt
roll and also in 1/2 sqs with 2/4pts</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Push Pull humpty no rolls. This is a good rudder
figure as there are no places to hide the corrections...This skill of shapes can
be seen both A and B in the 6 sided as it has no rolls and
several radii that must match and also the diamond again no rolls and multiple
radii to match and keep wind corrected</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Avalanche in all 3</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>stall turn with 1/2's all 3</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>4pt roll all 3</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>1/2 sq with 1/2 roll in vertical in all
3</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>2.5 turn spin in current and 3 turn spins in both
options. Very similar skills the major missing element is a 1/2 roll on the exit
and I think that is covered in the Bunt, Immelman, 1/2 sq with 1/2 roll up,
Reverse Cuban with 1/2's, square loop with 1/2's on the verticals and so on...So
the reality is I think the options cover all the bases the current schedule does
except one inverted exits....but yet adds in a center stall turn similar
to the current masters to make it harder and the Figure M which is a
outstanding figure for teaching skills.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>If you can do a figure M and score a 8-10
consistently then you will have the skills to be in the Masters finals at the
NATS! Just my humble opinion.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>As I have said before and will continue to
say...our work is done. If you are not happy with the work then vote for NO
change or develop a schedule of your own. We didn't gather a group to write the
future sequences for AMA pattern. We gathered a group to present options that
were viable and taught skill sets in the ranks of AMA pattern. If
they become rule or don't become rule then it will be due to your
votes as members. And if you don't like the results of the survey then
lobby your contest Board member to vote the proposals down. We are a suggestion
box that feeds to the contest board. Many will knock this system as not
following your desires or the best needs of pattern. The reality is this system
is in place and we must use it. This system gives you the unhappy 403 pilot the
opportunity to refute and show the contest Board the weakness of the
proposals....The reality is I don't think the weakness is there as you say it
is. You need to voice you opinion to them for a reflective vote of your needs
and desires.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I'm not trying to convince you as I know that is a
futile effort. Rather I don't think you are looking at the skills involved you
are just looking at the fact that you want to fly upside down...Well fly the 2nd
unknown from this years F3A NATS if you want some inverted fun. 19 figures
and 12 of them had inverted entry and/or exits.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Don't worry you won't hurt my feelings by voting
no....The work that was done was merely to create options. This is why its in
a survey.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Troy</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
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style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=rodney19821982@yahoo.com
href="mailto:rodney19821982@yahoo.com">Rodney Tanner</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=discussion@nsrca.org
href="mailto:discussion@nsrca.org">discussion@nsrca.org</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, July 28, 2005 10:57
PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> [SPAM] 2007 Advanced
Patterns</DIV>
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