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<DIV>In a message dated 7/29/2005 6:48:47 PM Central Daylight Time,
cjm767driver@hotmail.com writes:</DIV>
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style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" face=Arial color=#000000 size=2>I agree
100% with Verne. In fact, I would absolutely agree to judge 2 days at
the NATS instead of the 1 day if that meant we would have a 5 judge panel for
all rounds in all classes. As it is, one judge CAN affect and change the
outcome of the contest. This should never be the case. The guys
flying advanced this yr need only look at what happened in round 5 to see that
one judge can change the contest. If we are going to Muncie to just have
a contest, then leave it at 3 judges, but if we really want to make sure that
we have accurately and fairly chosen, then we need 5 with the high and low
dropped per maneuver.<BR><BR>Chris<BR><BR>Verne Koester wrote:
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial>Eric,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial>I doubt that it's in the AMA rules. It's just the way
it's always been done. Otherwise, there's no need to bother using 5
judges. I think it's probably in the FAI rules somewhere, but I
suspect that's for World Championships which wouldn't apply here. However,
we've always used 5 for them as well and dropped the high and low, and
again, if we don't, why bother using 5 judges. You can use 2 or 3 or 5 or 7
and one cheater (or bad judge if you choose) can tip the scales in any
direction they choose, whether to make sure someone wins or someone
loses.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial>My purpose in pointing this out is to prevent it from
happening in the future. I think it would be a huge mistake to do anything
that changes the posted results from this Nats. The outcry could only damage
our credibility and attendance at future Nats would suffer. There'd be sour
grapes from those who got moved down as well as from those who moved
up.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial>On the other hand, there was a lot of buzzing going on
amongst the Masters competitors all through the Nats about the scores one
particular pilot was getting. I wasn't made aware of it until Tuesday and
then I started paying attention as well. Most thought the guy wasn't flying
well enough to make the Finals but everyone knew he would with the scores he
was getting. Most figured the system (dropping the hi/low) would finally do
him in during the Finals and he'd probably finish last in that group. You
know the rest and his caller's scores put him very near the top since they
weren't dropped.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial>I think I speak for everyone when I say we only want a
fair shake and the closest we can get to that is the traditional method of
dropping the hi and low with 5 judges. Take that away, and I don't see much
sense in going through all the time and expense it takes to be competitive
in that arena. Having said all that, I still emphasize what a mistake it
would be to change the posted results from this year. We just need to make
sure it doesn't happen again.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial>vk</FONT></DIV>
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Friday, July 29, 2005 7:02 PM</DIV>
<DIV
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Scoring formula</DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Verne,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial
size=2>
I could write the following and say it as an answer to almost everything I
had to get working this year. "Nothing is written down", [It will not be
like that next year believe me!]</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>It may be somewhere, but I find myself
asking for help to find it..</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>In this case the "it" is, where can I
find the rules on five panel judging or larger panels for<STRONG>
AMA</STRONG> contests? Dave G. is looking for the <STRONG>FAI</STRONG>
rules.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>If you know "where" for either please point
me. Spent a fruitless day chasing this ghost.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>My plan BTW, is to re-crunch the numbers with
high and low scores dropped per maneuver because that is what was done
last year. May have to update Gene's program as well.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Regards,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial
size=2><BR>Eric.</FONT></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></FONT></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV>
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<DIV>I will second that.</DIV>
<DIV>Buddy</DIV></FONT></BODY></HTML>