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<DIV><FONT id=role_document face=Arial color=#8000ff size=2><FONT
color=#000000>Buddy,</FONT></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#8000ff size=2><FONT
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The problem exists just as much at a local contest as at a nationals. A lot of
the solution lies in the training. We need a lot more development in our
training tools and guides. However there is nothing that will make sure
that every pilot will be a good judge, absolutely nothing</FONT></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#8000ff size=2><FONT
color=#000000></FONT></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#8000ff size=2><FONT color=#000000>In the past
we had dedicated judges who cared about their craft, studied, practiced at
local contests and then delivered at the Nat's.</FONT></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#8000ff size=2><FONT
color=#000000></FONT></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#8000ff size=2><FONT color=#000000>Guess what! Then
folks who did not like their own results, slowly but surely wore down and
demotivated that group. I'm not talking about the USPJA either. Just a bunch of
good guys who kept it going and did the job. Today, if I may parody, we
have all of the ice-skaters judging the other ice classes of ice-skaters,
etc...</FONT></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#8000ff size=2><FONT
color=#000000></FONT></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#8000ff size=2><FONT color=#000000>I was judging
twice at this years Nat's and was legitimately giving out a 5 here and a 4
there, To my dismay the judges either side were giving 9's for the same maneuver
- Egads and Gazooks!</FONT></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#8000ff size=2><FONT
color=#000000></FONT></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#8000ff size=2><FONT color=#000000>For fun let's
look a few zeros that if you were trained and comfortable you would give
out.</FONT></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#8000ff size=2><FONT
color=#000000></FONT></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#8000ff size=2><FONT color=#000000>Example 1.
Maneuver - 2.5 turn spin. A pilot does a 1.5 spin stops, and then does one
more spin. It's a zero - why?</FONT></FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#8000ff size=2><FONT color=#000000>Example
2. Maneuver - a single rolling loop. Pilot roils slow, stops rolling,
rolls slow again, stops rolling and starts again. It's a zero -
why?</FONT></FONT></DIV>
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color=#000000></FONT></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#8000ff size=2><FONT color=#000000>There are several
rules which help you out here. The 15 degree one point rule and the extra point
in a roll rule.</FONT></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#8000ff size=2><FONT
color=#000000></FONT></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#8000ff size=2><FONT color=#000000>In example 1 the
spin stopped 360 degrees too soon. 1 pt per 15 = 24 pts, You stop at zero cause
they won't let you do negatives. (Now there is a thought!!!)</FONT></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#8000ff size=2><FONT
color=#000000></FONT></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#8000ff size=2><FONT color=#000000>In example 2 the
rule says that if the pilot adds or subtracts a point in a roll you deduct
5 points. Do it twice and its a zero.</FONT></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#8000ff size=2><FONT
color=#000000></FONT></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#8000ff size=2><FONT color=#000000>If the
judges missed the "stops" then they would not give zeros.</FONT></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#8000ff size=2><FONT
color=#000000></FONT></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#8000ff size=2><FONT color=#000000>What I am getting
at is there is skill and knowledge that has to be applied at exactly
the same time. It's not an easy job and many fail at it!</FONT></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#000000></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#000000>So how much would you pay for professional
judges???</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#8000ff size=2><FONT
color=#000000></FONT></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#8000ff size=2><FONT
color=#000000>Regards,</FONT></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#8000ff size=2><FONT
color=#000000></FONT></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#8000ff size=2><FONT
color=#000000>Eric.</FONT></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#000000></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#000000>Hold up just a second! </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#000000></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#000000>Example 2 logic is bogus. Because
the 5pts for an extra "point" in a roll is in the para covering
point-rolls. This was a slow roll albeit integrated with a loop. It's still a
zero, but only because it stopped too soon and incurred a 1 pt per 15 degree
penalty, again, only If it had more than 150 degrees to roll it was a goose-egg.
[I'm ignoring all of the other possible errors etc just for this
example.]</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#000000></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#000000>Now, you decide if I am right or wrong, and to be real
you have 2 seconds before the next maneuver. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#000000></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#000000>We need more than teaching, We need some
serious training as well. _ Eric.</FONT></DIV>
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color=#000000></FONT> </DIV>
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<DIV>Another note that may shed some light on the subject. Most judges I think
make an effort to score maneuvers correctly but what I have noticed is that
the new and less experienced ones seem to miss the geometry requirements of
certain maneuvers, this can make a huge difference in scores they judge
defects but overlook basics, such as hight and width which should match, entry
and exit altitude requirements and so fourth. They seem to focus on the fine
points but don't see the forest for the trees. This can only be overcome when
they have studied and understand the requirements of each manuever. We
teach how the downgrades should be applied but may be failing to stress
the importance to them of the need to be aware of the geometry
requirements. For example I made a point to look at some tear sheets
where obvious major errors in geometry were flown very smoothly my score
in one case would have been a six at best, guess what, would you believe a
nine and one half from two judges and a five from the other. likewise on the
other hand I compared one where the maneuver was performed correctly but
with a couple of small errors flown at a faster speed my score would have been
eight the tear sheet scores were two, sixes and an eight and a half. I may not
be the best judge around but I believe that only one of the scores in
each case was correct and these were both four k-factor maneuvers so the pilot
in each case if I am correct received about a twenty point bonus on his
normalized score but worse yet everyone else was penalized if he won the
round. Think about it.one or two rounds where this happens and some pilots
best effort becomes his throw away.</DIV>
<DIV>Buddy </DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></FONT></BODY></HTML>