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<DIV>In a message dated 8/1/2005 10:05:52 AM Central Daylight Time,
patternrules@earthlink.net writes:</DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face="MS Sans Serif" color=#000000> Buddy don't get me wrong
here, you would think that the Nat's you should get the best, what I'm saying
is the intermediate and advanced already have equal exposure to the judges,
where as the master's and FAI doesn't thus the finals.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face="MS Sans Serif" color=#000000> One other observation is
that in intermediate and advanced seem to be more about winning than master
and FAI you would think that there vying for a 60 million dollar endorsement
deal, there not and they lose sight of the meeting old friends learning new
things and improving.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face="MS Sans Serif" color=#000000> Steve Maxwell</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> 8/1/2005 8:52:19 AM </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: Scoring formula/ and
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<DIV>In a message dated 7/31/2005 10:04:05 PM Central Daylight Time,
patternrules@earthlink.net writes:</DIV>
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<DIV>Buddy the biggest reason that they do finals in masters and FAI, is
that they don't fly in front of the same judges <FONT color=#000000>unlike
the Intermediate and advanced then you have the problem of finding more
judges also according to the number of pilots you use in both
classes, if you use 8 pilots and single flight lines and 3 rounds it
wouldn't be over and all others would, if they use 2 flight lines
then more judges just don't seem practical to me.</FONT>
<DIV><FONT face="MS Sans Serif" color=#000000> No I don't fly
advanced anymore for many reasons #1 because I feel like I have a
short time to get as good as I can be at age 56, the last 3 years I
have practiced the FAI pattern in the fall and feel I have learned much
more than staying flying advanced, so now I only flying FAI not good
at it but I learn something every time I fly, #2 I like the pattern
changing every 2 years #3 not everyone and there brother have a say in
what FAI do (less problems and headaches) #4 I never could get score down
at the site 4 and from what I could see I was one of a few that
was tring to emulate the FAI and Masters pilots, I proved this last year
last day, by just doing fast rolls no finess at all just fast and stop my
scores went up by 100 raw points I was told all years on site 4 that I was
the only one that really ever showed good throttle
management</FONT> <FONT color=#000000>but still no scores #5 if I'm
going to be last I'd rather be last in FAI than last in
advanced.</FONT></DIV></DIV>
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<DIV>Steven Maxwell</DIV>
<DIV><A title=mailto:patternrules@earthlink.net
href="mailto:patternrules@earthlink.net">patternrules@earthlink.net</A></DIV>
<DIV>EarthLink Revolves Around You.</DIV>
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<DIV>Steven</DIV>
<DIV>There are plenty of judges available to do what I suggest, even to the
point of flying everyone in front of the same judges. The fact is that if
you do this many will be required to judge two and some all three days. If
people go to the Nat's to pick the best then they should be willing to do
what is necessary to accomplish that. If they use the Nat's as a vacation
and are not willing to do what is necessary to help assure
that, then we will never know who is actually the best we will only
know who in a mathematical probability most likely is the
best, and given the fact that the best judges are not used every day on
every flight line the mathematical probability is most likely not correct so
why do we continue to settle for the possibility of allowing the worst
of the best determine the winners. </DIV>
<DIV>If that is what we want, then I will get off of my soap box and shut my
mouth.</DIV>
<DIV>Buddy </DIV></FONT></FONT></BLOCKQUOTE></FONT></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV>
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<DIV>Steve</DIV>
<DIV>Equal exposure to less than the best possible judges does not necessarily
result in picking the best of the best in Intermediate and Advanced.</DIV>
<DIV>Likewise In FAI and Masters. Many who compete in the upper classes have
come as you say to meet old friends and enjoy the experience but we must not
loose sight of the purpose of the Nat's. Those who attend for the joy of
the moment are certainly welcome but case in point are the ones who do come to
possibly end up as winners and posses the necessary tools but are handicapped
due to extraneous factors such as poor judging, a system that does not provide
equal exposure the Halo factor or anything else that does not provide the
best recourses available and equal opportunity for all. </DIV>
<DIV>Buddy</DIV></FONT></BODY></HTML>