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<DIV><FONT color=#000000>Has anyone considered that there might be a correlation
to skill and ability.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#000000></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#000000>Out of 100 contestants we get a winners in the order of
1st to 100th.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#000000></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#000000>In the field of judging we may be experiencing the same
sliding scale of ability.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT color=#000000>Then there is what looks the same but is not. A few
years ago for a square loop with 1/2 rolls a friend and I scored 5 each for the
same pilot. His 5 deductions and my 5 deductions were not for the same
errors. He saw a square loop with unequal lines etc. I saw a square loop with
unequal corners and badly position rolls etc. I saw a loop that was not centered
and leaning in, He saw up and down lines that were not straight up and
down.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#000000></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#000000>If we added the two sets of deductions the pilot would
have been SOL. Lots of explanations such as a square can look wider at the
top if leaning in. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#000000></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#000000>The main point is that we only have a few seconds to
assess what we saw, evaluate four corners for equal and ascertain which one two
three or four were not the same. Similarly for lines, subtract the running
errors such as roll positions, roll rates, rolls starting and stopping correctly
etc.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#000000></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#000000>As regards spins and snaps - I no longer second guess
what I am given. Without a camera to replay the maneuver you can't argue the
point.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#000000></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#000000>Eric.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#000000></FONT> </DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
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style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=BUDDYonRC@aol.com
href="mailto:BUDDYonRC@aol.com">BUDDYonRC@aol.com</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=discussion@nsrca.org
href="mailto:discussion@nsrca.org">discussion@nsrca.org</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, August 02, 2005 8:28
PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: Performance Judging? Trial
Balloon</DIV>
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<DIV>In a message dated 8/2/2005 5:37:50 PM Central Daylight Time, <A
href="mailto:vanputte@cox.net">vanputte@cox.net</A> writes:</DIV>
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style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: blue 2px solid"><FONT
style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" face=Arial color=#000000 size=2><BR>On
Aug 2, 2005, at 5:02 PM, Don Ramsey wrote:<BR><BR>> We have heard from a
lot of Advanced pilots about the judging on that <BR>> line. I
would like some feed back from Masters and FAI on the prelims <BR>>
judges. My very limited survey seems to indicated that those lines
<BR>> had very good judging. I had a lot of 5s & 6s and some
good scores <BR>> but overall my scores, in my opinion, were spot
on. I'm only asking <BR>> about the prelims.<BR><BR>I had some
weird scores on some flights. On the first round, my scores <BR>had a
94 point raw score spread (one judge was consistently high). The
<BR>second round had only a 14.5 point spread (These judge hung together;
<BR>the worst being an 8.0/6.0/7.0 on the 1/2 Inside Loop w/ 2/4 Roll Out).
<BR> The third round had only a 28.5 point spread (this despite a
<BR>9.5/9.0/6.5 on the 1/2 Outside Loop w/ 2/4 Pt Roll Out). The
fourth <BR>round had a zero spread (an elevator half came unhooked from the
clevis <BR>and I landed before completing the first airborne
maneuver)! The fifth <BR>round had a 63 point spread, including a
3.0/8.0/6.0 on the Vertical <BR>Square 8. The sixth round had only a
33.5 point spread, however, it <BR>included 6.0/9.0/8.0 on the 1/2 Inside
Loop w/ 2/4 Roll Out, <BR>6.5/8.0/8.5 Top Hat w/ 3/4 Roll Up, 1/4 Roll Dn
and a 6.0/8.0/6.5 on <BR>the 1/2 Sq Loop w/ 1/2 Roll Out.<BR><BR>I can
accept up to 1.5 point spread from three judges on a maneuver, <BR>but more
than that means somebody screwed up.<BR><BR>Ron Van
Putte<BR><BR><BR></FONT></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV>
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<DIV>Ron</DIV>
<DIV>An example in advanced goes like this for my rounds.</DIV>
<DIV>Scores with two or more points different on the same
manuver. high low total dirrerence</DIV>
<DIV>Round-1------9 random not the same judge
in each case
89</DIV>
<DIV>Round-2------2
30</DIV>
<DIV>Round-3------6 63</DIV>
<DIV>Round-4------3
46</DIV>
<DIV>Round-5------5 35</DIV>
<DIV>Round-6------3 41
</DIV>
<DIV>Round 3 includes 1/2 square with 2 of 4 scores 0---6----7 and
a 3-1/2 turn spin that scored 0-0-6-1/2</DIV>
<DIV>Round 1- includes a spin that scored 8-1/2-0-7</DIV>
<DIV>I might add that there were no obvious cases where any judge was scoreing
real high or low.</DIV>
<DIV>And in my case I most likely ended up placeing about where I should have
give or take plus or minus 5 places.</DIV>
<DIV>Buddy </DIV>
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