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style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=pattern4u@comcast.net href="mailto:pattern4u@comcast.net">Grow
Pattern</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=discussion@nsrca.org
href="mailto:discussion@nsrca.org">discussion@nsrca.org</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, August 03, 2005 9:42
AM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: Performance Judging? Trial
Balloon</DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>What I saw, round after round, was the judges who
used a pad or the side of the sheet, use the whole landing sequence to
transfer their scores into the right boxes. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>As regards looking own or away from the plane,
there are maneuvers where you can, maneuvers where you check for center and
end poles etc. There is nothing written in the rules that says you can't
glance away! </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Not naming names, but a few years ago I videoed
several of the chief proponents of "not looking down- notepad users" while
they were judging. Guess what? They looked down multiple times and sometimes
every time to find a position for their pencil. One contestants caller
couldn't take it any more and stormed up to the judges line and told one of
them that they were looking down all of the time. Didn't get that one on video
would have been a good one for training???</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Looking down is often an unconscious act and
probably does not affect the scoring ability of the judges. Being
distracted is more of a severe problem. If you miss a maneuver or
compon</FONT><FONT face=Arial size=2>ent of a maneuver you write NO (Not
observed). They'll average the other judges score. If all of the judges
miss it the pilot should get a 10 :-)</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Here is an item that I think needs to be
addressed. In this day of mandatory landing procedures the pilot has to turn -
turn - land. They have no options. At least one judge needs to be designated
as a person to "clear" that pilot for landing, Another pilot could be
landing, taking off or a plane handler could still be on the
runway.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Eric.</FONT></DIV>
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<A title=patternrules@earthlink.net
href="mailto:patternrules@earthlink.net">Steven Maxwell</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=discussion@nsrca.org
href="mailto:discussion@nsrca.org">discussion@nsrca.org</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, August 03, 2005 9:03
AM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: Performance Judging? Trial
Balloon</DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face="MS Sans Serif" size=2> Terry I don't use scribes
because I find them to confusing, theres times when I have heard the same
maneuver being called 3 time using 2 judges, then you have the cases when
the scribe ask you questions breaking your concentration, I was talking to a
masters pilot at the Nat's and he said I missed a maneuver, he did a 3 of 4
up instead of doing it down, I scored him as if the maneuver was right, the
kicker is that so did the judge with a scribe, Judging isn't perfect a long
as the human element is there, if at the Nat's I use RVP method using the
legal pad for writing down score then transferring to the score sheet only
takes a minute, I ask Don Ramsey last year at the Nat's about looking down,
there's no real rules on what happens between the straight lines from
an exit of one maneuver and the entrance of the next straight line, it's
just not clarified in the rule book, there are places in all schedules
that have very long lines inbetween maneuvers this is the place if needed to
look down, and I only do this at local contest where legal pads aren't
available.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face="MS Sans Serif" size=2> I may not be the best judge but
I do always strive to be fair and honest, my method will not work for
everyone, but it's best for me.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face="MS Sans Serif" size=2> Steve
Maxwell </FONT></DIV>
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<DIV
style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=themmis@sbcglobal.net href="mailto:themmis@sbcglobal.net">Terry
Hemmis</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To: </B><A title=discussion@nsrca.org
href="mailto:discussion@nsrca.org">discussion@nsrca.org</A></DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> 8/2/2005 11:33:57 AM </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: Performance Judging?
Trial Balloon</DIV>
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<DIV>Well said by both of you, Jim and Eric. </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>It is quite true that judging has it's issues. One I noticed is that
there are not always </DIV>
<DIV>scribes for judging flights in the upper levels. This means that
for some judges, they </DIV>
<DIV>look down a lot to see what the next maneuver may be or to write the
score...if a </DIV>
<DIV>judge doesn't know what they are looking for [a simple example is
a 2 of 4 not a half </DIV>
<DIV>roll, they could miss it]. This can
be a blessing for the pilot...or problematic for the</DIV>
<DIV>other pilots.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>If it is known who the judges are, then perhaps their effort at
scoring would be much more</DIV>
<DIV>accurate...</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Just my humble opinion...</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Terry </DIV>
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