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<P>Great points - the fly and judge/ discuss & debrief / fly and judge format sounds great - I'd like to try that in the future as a part of judging seminars. </P>
<P>I think there's room for discussion about when, how, and who should give feedback - certainly not during the round. </P>
<P>After judging, I'm always willing to talk to a pilot after a round, if HE asks- I never initiate the discussion. If a pilot asks and I can remember I'm willing to talk to him. </P>
<P>If feedback is equally available and one pilot asks the question and another does not, does the asker gain an unfair advantage?That's a tough one. </P>
<P>I know of many pilots who don't pick up their tearstrips between rounds. Does the pilot who examines his and makes subsequent corrections based on them gain an unfair advantage over the guy who doesn't? </P>
<P>And then there's the case where a pilot has a great support group / caller, who gives outstanding feedback during and after the flight - another unfair advantage? </P>
<P>This IS an excellent discussion topic - can't wait to hear more! </P>
<P>My $0.02<BR>Rick </P>
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From: <I>"Earl Haury" <ehaury@houston.rr.com></I><BR>Reply-To: <I>discussion@nsrca.org</I><BR>To: <I>"Discussion List, NSRCA" <discussion@nsrca.org></I><BR>Subject: <I>Judging Performance</I><BR>Date: <I>Fri, 5 Aug 2005 07:30:42 -0500</I><BR><BR>
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<P>"I absolutely agree that feedback from judge to pilot is great - after the round. Im always willing to talk about a flight with a pilot after I judge his round. I often go so far as to make little memory jogger squiggles on my scratch pad so I'll remember who did what and why that maneuver was a '5'. (didn't do it at the Nats- FAI was a little too intense...) "</P></FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Combining some ideas from this discussion might yield useful training tools. In a format similar to the "Sportsman Pattern Primers", we might do judge practice with pilot feedback. Folks take turns flying and judging with a debriefing of pilot and judges after each flight. Judges hone and calibrates their skills and the pilot gets critical feedback. We've done this when training club judges in the past and it worked well.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>However, I suggest that judge feedback to pilots shouldn't occur during competition - even after a round is over. Consider the situation where two pilots are flying equally well and are in contention for a win (maybe the Nats), but one pilot consistently makes a particular error which will ensure second place. A judge points out the fault, the pilot corrects it, and wins. Is this fair to the pilot who didn't receive feedback? I believe that a judges job during competition is to assess the appropriate downgrades for errors on a maneuver by maneuver basis - not to provide coaching to the competitors.</FONT></DIV>
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