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<DIV><FONT color=#000000>Another data point that you all might like to know is
that in all of the rounds, in all of the classes including finals. ALL of eth
judges scores were used to compute the standings.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#000000></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#000000>As regards having plenty of judges. We do not. To have
three per line we need 36 per day. Multiply that by three and that's 108. That
works out to more chairs to fill than we have pilots.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#000000></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#000000>I am recruiting full-time judges for next year. If you
would like to get on the roster please e-mail me and also tell anyone that you
know as well.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#000000></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#000000>Regards,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#000000></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#000000>Eric.</FONT></DIV>
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<A title=BUDDYonRC@aol.com
href="mailto:BUDDYonRC@aol.com">BUDDYonRC@aol.com</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=discussion@nsrca.org
href="mailto:discussion@nsrca.org">discussion@nsrca.org</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Friday, July 29, 2005 8:11 PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [SPAM] Re: Scoring
formula</DIV>
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<DIV>
<DIV>In a message dated 7/29/2005 6:48:47 PM Central Daylight Time, <A
href="mailto:cjm767driver@hotmail.com">cjm767driver@hotmail.com</A>
writes:</DIV>
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style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" face=Arial color=#000000 size=2>I
agree 100% with Verne. In fact, I would absolutely agree to judge 2
days at the NATS instead of the 1 day if that meant we would have a 5 judge
panel for all rounds in all classes. As it is, one judge CAN affect
and change the outcome of the contest. This should never be the
case. The guys flying advanced this yr need only look at what happened
in round 5 to see that one judge can change the contest. If we are
going to Muncie to just have a contest, then leave it at 3 judges, but if we
really want to make sure that we have accurately and fairly chosen, then we
need 5 with the high and low dropped per maneuver.<BR><BR>Chris<BR><BR>Verne
Koester wrote:
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial>Eric,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial>I doubt that it's in the AMA rules. It's just the
way it's always been done. Otherwise, there's no need to bother using 5
judges. I think it's probably in the FAI rules somewhere, but I
suspect that's for World Championships which wouldn't apply here. However,
we've always used 5 for them as well and dropped the high and low, and
again, if we don't, why bother using 5 judges. You can use 2 or 3 or 5 or
7 and one cheater (or bad judge if you choose) can tip the scales in any
direction they choose, whether to make sure someone wins or someone
loses.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial>My purpose in pointing this out is to prevent it
from happening in the future. I think it would be a huge mistake to do
anything that changes the posted results from this Nats. The outcry could
only damage our credibility and attendance at future Nats would suffer.
There'd be sour grapes from those who got moved down as well as from those
who moved up.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial>On the other hand, there was a lot of buzzing going
on amongst the Masters competitors all through the Nats about the scores
one particular pilot was getting. I wasn't made aware of it until Tuesday
and then I started paying attention as well. Most thought the guy wasn't
flying well enough to make the Finals but everyone knew he would with the
scores he was getting. Most figured the system (dropping the hi/low) would
finally do him in during the Finals and he'd probably finish last in that
group. You know the rest and his caller's scores put him very near the top
since they weren't dropped.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial>I think I speak for everyone when I say we only want
a fair shake and the closest we can get to that is the traditional method
of dropping the hi and low with 5 judges. Take that away, and I don't see
much sense in going through all the time and expense it takes to be
competitive in that arena. Having said all that, I still emphasize what a
mistake it would be to change the posted results from this year. We just
need to make sure it doesn't happen again.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial>vk</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV
style="FONT: 10pt arial; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal"><B>To:</B>
<A title=mailto:discussion@nsrca.org
href="mailto:discussion@nsrca.org">discussion@nsrca.org</A> </DIV>
<DIV
style="FONT: 10pt arial; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal"><B>Sent:</B>
Friday, July 29, 2005 7:02 PM</DIV>
<DIV
style="FONT: 10pt arial; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal"><B>Subject:</B>
Scoring formula</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Verne,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial
size=2>
I could write the following and say it as an answer to almost everything
I had to get working this year. "Nothing is written down", [It will not
be like that next year believe me!]</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>It may be somewhere, but I find myself
asking for help to find it..</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>In this case the "it" is, where can I
find the rules on five panel judging or larger panels for<STRONG>
AMA</STRONG> contests? Dave G. is looking for the <STRONG>FAI</STRONG>
rules.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>If you know "where" for either please point
me. Spent a fruitless day chasing this ghost.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>My plan BTW, is to re-crunch the numbers
with high and low scores dropped per maneuver because that is what was
done last year. May have to update Gene's program as
well.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Regards,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial
size=2><BR>Eric.</FONT></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></FONT></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV>
<DIV></DIV>
<DIV>I will second that.</DIV>
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