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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>The discussion on how good the judging was in 403
this year made me take a look at the roster that we used. There were a few
substitutions but a couple significant facts did not change.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>1. Dave Guerin put a Masters pilot in each of the
two 403 judges line on both Monday and Tuesday.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>3. He put three Masters pilots in each of the
two 404 judges lines on Wednesday.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Regards,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Eric.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
<DIV
style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=ehaury@houston.rr.com href="mailto:ehaury@houston.rr.com">Earl
Haury</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=discussion@nsrca.org
href="mailto:discussion@nsrca.org">Discussion List, NSRCA</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Friday, August 05, 2005 8:26
AM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Performance Judging</DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3>Bob<BR><BR>I
tend to agree with you that the judge scoring lower may be (correctly)
<BR>seeing more defects, especially on complex maneuvers. What I don't know
how <BR>to handle is the situation where a pretty flawless (not too complex)
<BR>maneuver is severely hammered by one judge. We've pretty clear metrics in
<BR>place to define the appropriate downgrades - do some double those? Do they
<BR>double deduct - 1 / 15 for an error and another 1 / 15 for the correction?
<BR>Do they deduct a whole point for a 5 degree error? Are they watching the
<BR>wrong airplane? I don't know the answer, but I've seen enough score sheets
<BR>to recognize that some judges consistently score errors much lower than
<BR>their peer group, while scoring (relatively) flawless maneuvers generally
<BR>high. Maybe they (inappropriately) award points for smoothness, but the
<BR>consequence isn't "more critical - but consistent ( if outside the
rules)", <BR>but an inappropriately larger delta score between nearly equal
quality <BR>flights.<BR><BR>There may not be a way to legitimately smooth well
intentioned, if <BR>erroneous, scores when the number of judges is low, and I
really do <BR>appreciate the efforts of everyone that sits in the judges
chair. But what <BR>would we do if someone (at -say the Nats) chooses to score
all zeros or all <BR>tens?<BR><BR>Earl<BR><BR><BR><BR>----- Original Message
----- <BR>From: "Bob Richards" <</FONT><A
href="mailto:bob@toprudder.com"><FONT face="Times New Roman"
size=3>bob@toprudder.com</FONT></A><FONT face="Times New Roman"
size=3>><BR>To: <</FONT><A href="mailto:discussion@nsrca.org"><FONT
face="Times New Roman" size=3>discussion@nsrca.org</FONT></A><FONT
face="Times New Roman" size=3>><BR>Sent: Thursday, August 04, 2005 1:35
PM<BR>Subject: RE: Performance Judging? (back to original
discussion)<BR><BR><BR>> Ed,<BR>><BR>> I tend to put more faith in
the lower scores. This is<BR>> especially true on high difficulty manuevers
since<BR>> there are more opportunity for downgrades.<BR>><BR>> I
have, on at least one occasion, given a zero for a<BR>> maneuver when there
were no mandatory zero mistakes<BR>> made. Just because the maneuver was
flown, and may<BR>> have even been recognizable, doesn't mean that
it<BR>> deserves a non-zero score.<BR>><BR>> The snap "did it stall
first" problem is, itself, a<BR>> judgement call.<BR>><BR>> Bob
R.</FONT><BR></FONT></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>