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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Tried this once in Scale Aerobatics and it
didn't go over real big. Lots of complaints about the unpredictability and
unfairness of tailslides led to lowering the K factor if memory serves
correctly. I think we also upped the K factor on rolling circles because
they're freakin' hard, but at least you are managaing all elements all thre way
through etc. Anyway, a counter argument was that we had done a bad thing
by tinkering with the K factors of what was officially established by
CIVA. The reset button was hit and these days other types of tinkering
prevails there. Life goes on...</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Ed</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV>----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
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style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=jpavlick@idseng.com href="mailto:jpavlick@idseng.com">John
Pavlick</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=discussion@nsrca.org
href="mailto:discussion@nsrca.org">discussion@nsrca.org</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, August 17, 2005 12:41
AM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> RE: Snap or not K Factor</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN
class=920432823-16082005>Guys,</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN
class=920432823-16082005> Think about what Ron said. I know<SPAN
class=960250900-17082005>, </SPAN><SPAN
class=960250900-17082005>traditionally</SPAN> we assign K factors based on a
maneuver's difficulty. This appears to be sound logic and it is <EM>most of
the time</EM>. The effect of this is that a well executed, difficult maneuver
(high K-factor) contributes favorably to your score. And rightfully so.
Conversely, a poorly executed, difficult maneuver really hurts your final
score. Now all things considered, if everyone in your class flies the maneuver
in question with the same level of competency, <SPAN
class=960250900-17082005>and it's fairly easy to judg</SPAN><SPAN
class=960250900-17082005>e, </SPAN>it all works out. The problem occurs when
the high K-factor maneuver is judged differently based on the way it is flown,
for whatever reason. Ron's idea is good, because even though the snaps are
difficult maneuvers, having a low K-factor would lessen the impact of a
mis-judged snap roll on your score. <SPAN class=960250900-17082005>Right
now it counts </SPAN><SPAN class=960250900-17082005>high enough to make a
big difference even if one guy gets a</SPAN><SPAN class=960250900-17082005>n 8
and another guy gets a 9. </SPAN>Until we can all agree on how to judge them
so everyone has a fair shot, maybe it's a good solution. <SPAN
class=960250900-17082005>Maybe we're just taking this all too seriously? Look
at Eric's comments. I'd l</SPAN>ike to know what you guys
think.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=920432823-16082005></SPAN><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial><FONT color=#0000ff><SPAN class=920432823-16082005><FONT
size=2>John Pavlick<BR><A href="http://www.idseng.com"
target=_blank>http://www.idseng.com</A></DIV>
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<P><BR> </SPAN></FONT></FONT></FONT><FONT face=Tahoma
size=2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> discussion-request@nsrca.org
[mailto:discussion-request@nsrca.org]<B>On Behalf Of
</B>ronlock@comcast.net<BR><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, August 16, 2005 3:42
PM<BR><B>To:</B> discussion@nsrca.org; discussion@nsrca.org<BR><B>Cc:</B> Ron
Van Putte<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: Snap or not K Factor<BR><BR></P></DIV></DIV>
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<DIV>Here we are in yet another of the long strings about </DIV>
<DIV>observing and judging snaps. They come around about </DIV>
<DIV>as often as seasons.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>It's pretty clear that as a community we don't yet agree on the
</DIV>
<DIV>exact criteria for snaps; or have the observation
skills to </DIV>
<DIV>interpret the airplane behaviour; (which is extremely
difficult to </DIV>
<DIV>do in the fractional second the maneuver takes) or the proficiency
</DIV>
<DIV>to match the observed behaviour to the correct downgrades.</DIV>
<DIV>Most of us can add to this list of issues.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Yet, those imperfect judgments for high K-Factor snaps </DIV>
<DIV>continue to have a high impact on round scores.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>How about reducing the K-Factor for snap maneuvers in</DIV>
<DIV>AMA schedules? We still fly them, we still judge them,
</DIV>
<DIV>we still invest as much of our resources as we want </DIV>
<DIV>into improving flying and judging snaps.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>And.....when we get it right, <VBG> we can put the </DIV>
<DIV>high K-Factors back in place.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Ron Lockhart</DIV>
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