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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>A zeroed maneuver in advanced can lose the
round.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>WG<BR></FONT></DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, August 16, 2005 7:27
PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: Put equity back into snap
judging</DIV>
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<DIV>A zeroed maneuver in masters generally looses the round, I sure
hate it when something as hard to judge as a snap takes me
out.<BR><BR><B><I>Grow Pattern <<A
href="mailto:pattern4u@comcast.net">pattern4u@comcast.net</A>></I></B>
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style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #1010ff 2px solid">OK,
fasten your seat belts....<BR><BR>If you have 100 pilots in a contest you
finish up with a first and a last <BR>place.<BR>If you have 100 pilots take
a test you finish up with a first and a last <BR>place.<BR>If you have 100
pilots judge a snap I will submit that you will get a <BR>similar sliding
scale of skill and ability and knowledge applied to that
<BR>snap.<BR><BR>This discussion shows a wide range of understanding, and in
some cases lack <BR>of or fixed understanding, of what we need to judge as
regards a snap. The <BR>problem is that we are trying to get a 100 pilots to
all - see as well - <BR>absorb movement as well - decide as well - count etc
.............As well <BR>each other.<BR><BR>People, IT'S NEVER GOING TO
HAPPEN!<BR><BR>We keep putting the pressure on the pilot to become, and I
quote, "A better <BR>judge". We have had years and years of this direction.
It has not worked <BR>thus far.<BR><BR>I see the root of the failure as the
inevitable pattern pilot trait of <BR>nit-picking a definition to death.
Just read these threads. Month after <BR>month, year after year...
zzzzzzzzzzzzzz!<BR><BR>Possible answers;<BR><BR>1. If you can't guarantee to
judge it correctly take it out of AMA <BR>schedules. It is grossly unfair to
penalize pilots this way.<BR>(Some one get Ron VP some smelling salts
because he may not recover from my <BR>agreeing with him!)<BR><BR>2. Loosen
the definitions. Its a bloody model folks. The speed of how fast <BR>it will
snap is way beyond most human eyes. It is not a full-size plane nor <BR>a
140" IMAC plane. It snaps very quickly indeed. Blink and you miss
it.<BR><BR>3. Use converse guidelines like;<BR>- If it does not roll as slow
as a normal roll<BR>- If it does not roll around a tube like in a barrel
roll<BR>- If it does not perform an axial roll
<BR>......................................Then IT"S A SNAP!!!<BR><BR>then
you can concentrate on the achievables such as a heading loss, wing
<BR>rotation start and stop position errors.<BR><BR>This will free you up to
focus on the 99.67% of the rest of the maneuver <BR>elements in a schedule.
[99.67% is the number of lines, corners, rolls, <BR>spins etc. in the
Masters schedule that are not snaps].<BR><BR>Only give a zero if it is
clearly not a snap using criteria in #3<BR><BR>Do the same for all pilots
and in Satalino-speak "Have a nice(r) day!"<BR><BR>Back to the real
world....and the 21st Century!!<BR><BR>Eric.<BR><BR><BR><BR>----- Original
Message ----- <BR>From: "Bob Richards" <BOB@TOPRUDDER.COM><BR>To:
<DISCUSSION@NSRCA.ORG><BR>Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2005 5:07 PM<BR>Subject:
RE: Snap or not (since we have nothing better to do)<BR><BR><BR>>I think
it is IMPOSSIBLE for the CG to stay on a<BR>> straight line during a snap
roll. Think about it, even<BR>> a fully stalled wing generates lift, and
has a vector.<BR>> For a snap to NOT cause the CG to wander would
require<BR>> each wing panel to have equal lift, in opposite<BR>>
directions. Sorry, that is not going to happen.<BR>><BR>> Ever hear an
aerobatic pilot talk about being<BR>> weightless during a snap roll?
Yeah, right.<BR>><BR>> The rulebook must be wrong. Just my
opinion.<BR>><BR>> Bob R.<BR>><BR>> --- Bob Kane
<GETTERFLASH@YAHOO.COM>wrote:<BR>><BR>>> I'm hoping to get more
snaps on tape so we can see<BR>>> what they look like in slow motion.
What I do know,<BR>>> if<BR>>> the maneuver in the video is a
snap, the rulebook<BR>>> definition is wrong. Autorotation is one
element,<BR>>> but<BR>>> so is the nose and tail transcribing
opposite cones<BR>>> with the CG remaining on the flight
path.<BR>>><BR>>><BR>><BR>>
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