<DIV>A zeroed maneuver in masters generally looses the round, I sure hate it when something as hard to judge as a snap takes me out.<BR><BR><B><I>Grow Pattern <pattern4u@comcast.net></I></B> wrote:</DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE class=replbq style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #1010ff 2px solid">OK, fasten your seat belts....<BR><BR>If you have 100 pilots in a contest you finish up with a first and a last <BR>place.<BR>If you have 100 pilots take a test you finish up with a first and a last <BR>place.<BR>If you have 100 pilots judge a snap I will submit that you will get a <BR>similar sliding scale of skill and ability and knowledge applied to that <BR>snap.<BR><BR>This discussion shows a wide range of understanding, and in some cases lack <BR>of or fixed understanding, of what we need to judge as regards a snap. The <BR>problem is that we are trying to get a 100 pilots to all - see as well - <BR>absorb movement as well - decide as well - count etc .............As well <BR>each other.<BR><BR>People, IT'S NEVER GOING TO HAPPEN!<BR><BR>We keep putting the pressure on the pilot to become, and I quote, "A better <BR>judge". We have had years and years of this direction. It has
not worked <BR>thus far.<BR><BR>I see the root of the failure as the inevitable pattern pilot trait of <BR>nit-picking a definition to death. Just read these threads. Month after <BR>month, year after year... zzzzzzzzzzzzzz!<BR><BR>Possible answers;<BR><BR>1. If you can't guarantee to judge it correctly take it out of AMA <BR>schedules. It is grossly unfair to penalize pilots this way.<BR>(Some one get Ron VP some smelling salts because he may not recover from my <BR>agreeing with him!)<BR><BR>2. Loosen the definitions. Its a bloody model folks. The speed of how fast <BR>it will snap is way beyond most human eyes. It is not a full-size plane nor <BR>a 140" IMAC plane. It snaps very quickly indeed. Blink and you miss it.<BR><BR>3. Use converse guidelines like;<BR>- If it does not roll as slow as a normal roll<BR>- If it does not roll around a tube like in a barrel roll<BR>- If it does not perform an axial roll <BR>......................................Then IT"S A SNAP!!!<BR><BR>then
you can concentrate on the achievables such as a heading loss, wing <BR>rotation start and stop position errors.<BR><BR>This will free you up to focus on the 99.67% of the rest of the maneuver <BR>elements in a schedule. [99.67% is the number of lines, corners, rolls, <BR>spins etc. in the Masters schedule that are not snaps].<BR><BR>Only give a zero if it is clearly not a snap using criteria in #3<BR><BR>Do the same for all pilots and in Satalino-speak "Have a nice(r) day!"<BR><BR>Back to the real world....and the 21st Century!!<BR><BR>Eric.<BR><BR><BR><BR>----- Original Message ----- <BR>From: "Bob Richards" <BOB@TOPRUDDER.COM><BR>To: <DISCUSSION@NSRCA.ORG><BR>Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2005 5:07 PM<BR>Subject: RE: Snap or not (since we have nothing better to do)<BR><BR><BR>>I think it is IMPOSSIBLE for the CG to stay on a<BR>> straight line during a snap roll. Think about it, even<BR>> a fully stalled wing generates lift, and has a vector.<BR>> For a snap to NOT cause
the CG to wander would require<BR>> each wing panel to have equal lift, in opposite<BR>> directions. Sorry, that is not going to happen.<BR>><BR>> Ever hear an aerobatic pilot talk about being<BR>> weightless during a snap roll? Yeah, right.<BR>><BR>> The rulebook must be wrong. Just my opinion.<BR>><BR>> Bob R.<BR>><BR>> --- Bob Kane <GETTERFLASH@YAHOO.COM>wrote:<BR>><BR>>> I'm hoping to get more snaps on tape so we can see<BR>>> what they look like in slow motion. What I do know,<BR>>> if<BR>>> the maneuver in the video is a snap, the rulebook<BR>>> definition is wrong. Autorotation is one element,<BR>>> but<BR>>> so is the nose and tail transcribing opposite cones<BR>>> with the CG remaining on the flight path.<BR>>><BR>>><BR>><BR>> =================================================<BR>> To access the email archives for this list, go to<BR>>
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