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<DIV><FONT color=#000000>Buddy</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT color=#000000>The touch & go was fun - and ended many a round
early! I know that you - and others - don't want to hear this, but the best way
to improve your snaps is to cut the snap switch off the transmitter!
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<DIV><FONT color=#000000>Earl</FONT></DIV>
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<A title=BUDDYonRC@aol.com
href="mailto:BUDDYonRC@aol.com">BUDDYonRC@aol.com</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=discussion@nsrca.org
href="mailto:discussion@nsrca.org">discussion@nsrca.org</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, August 18, 2005 1:00
PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: Put equity back into snap
judging</DIV>
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<DIV>In a message dated 8/18/2005 10:44:17 AM Central Daylight Time, <A
href="mailto:ehaury@houston.rr.com">ehaury@houston.rr.com</A> writes:</DIV>
<DIV>Earl </DIV>
<DIV>I agree and because of the present quality of judging I do mine with a
snap switch, all the inputs are there, some are good some are bad but all are
snaps and until the judging quality changes I will continue on this course, I
still get a few zeros but have only learned how to get around poor judging not
how to do a perfect snap every time. I keep practicing them in practice but in
a contest I take the high road my scores for snap's were respectable
the Nats now if I can only find a way to do the same with spins the second
most misjudged maneuver.</DIV>
<DIV>But honestly the current situation is doing nothing to inspire me
otherwise. If we want to do something constructive put the touch and go back
in the pattern but boy would that cause a rumble.</DIV>
<DIV>Buddy </DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>OK guys - let me give you my insight with
regard to the videos, discussion of same, and issues surrounding flying
/ judging snaps.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Firstly, the videos are a good exercise and
offer the option to "inspect" various interpretations of snaps. As is
usually the case with video of pattern maneuvers - most views don't acquire
the same clarity / scale as when viewed from the judges line. My opinion,
viewing in real time, is that some are probably snaps and some are not - but
a similar view in actual judging would mean that the airplane was at 300 or
so meters and it would be equally difficult to evaluate the
maneuver. Confirming one's evaluation with slo-mo isn't available to a
judge - but a better view is.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>With regard to eliminating snaps because they
can't be judged - isn't likely to happen and we've had the same discussion
regarding spins (seems snaps have taken the pressure off spins). A very
small number of folks have a mindset that these maneuvers can't be done
properly - so all should be zeroed unless they meet some magical criteria.
This is wrong, pilots need to learn how to do the maneuvers correctly (and
apply this knowledge to their judging). My observation basis judging 2 days
of Masters and half of the F3A finals at the Nats is that the Masters guys
have gotten much better with snaps than in previous years (having to fly
snaps will do that). Some of the F3A guys make them a thing of beauty (yes -
they're snaps, not some sort of "cheat") - others need to work on them more.
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Video is an excellent tool for studying one's
own snaps - but the camera must be zoomed on the airplane to give the same
view as the pilot - steady tracking is difficult. A lot has been written by
Don, Dave, Dean, me, and others on how to do the snap as defined in the
rules - review this info and apply it to what you see in your videos.
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I will venture to say that most (if not all)
large departures from track and/or late or no stalls, are as much a
result of slow elevator input as improper travel. Slow / weak servos, lots
of expo, anything that slows the initial pitch movement, will screw-up snap
entry. The guys that appear to "cheat" have figured out how to get a quick,
minimal (yet sufficient) pitch to stall and just enough pitch and yaw
control to maintain a cone so as to return to unstalled attitude when
desired. The rest of us need to work toward that quality and appreciate it
when judging. A good snap doesn't look like a wounded duck! (Yes, some
may try to forego elevator input and fool us with a quick roll with a yaw
waggle - but the lack of pitch break makes judging these easy.)
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Earl</FONT></DIV>
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style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=mailto:gfowler@raytheon.com
href="mailto:gfowler@raytheon.com">Gray E Fowler</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A
title=mailto:discussion@nsrca.org
href="mailto:discussion@nsrca.org">discussion@nsrca.org</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, August 17, 2005 8:31
AM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: Put equity back into
snap judging</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV><BR><FONT face=sans-serif size=2>Eric said....</FONT>
<BR><BR><BR><FONT size=3><BR>1. If you can't guarantee to judge it
correctly take it out of AMA <BR>schedules. It is grossly unfair to
penalize pilots this way.</FONT> <BR><BR><BR><FONT face=sans-serif
size=2>Good point, but if we take it out, then me as an Advanced flyer
will never have the chance to learn how to "Cheat" a snap as good as the
FAI guys do. You know....that little no elevator flip that they do to keep
the heading correct and never get a zero cuz they be "insert big name
here". </FONT><BR><BR><FONT face=sans-serif size=2>If the top FAI guys
faced some of the critical snap judging that most of us ocassionally do,
and know one knew their name, they too would remove it or change the
criteria ....according to me.</FONT> <BR><BR><FONT face=sans-serif
size=2>In defense of the individual FAI flyers....the ones I know are
pretty cool guys...just gotta play the game. As the name recognition goes
up, it seems the weenier the snap gets......in other words, the so called
"regular" FAI guy faces a huge disadvantage when faced with the judging
criteria/disparity Eric mentioned plus facing name recognition. AND as
usual....I could be wrong.</FONT> <BR><BR><FONT face=sans-serif
size=2><B>Tonight, I am going to paint my prop all pretty colors. Can
anyone tell me what colors and designs score the best?</B></FONT>
<BR><BR><FONT face=sans-serif size=2><BR><BR><BR>Gray Fowler<BR>Principal
Chemical Engineer<BR>Composites
Engineering</FONT></BLOCKQUOTE></FONT></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV>
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