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<DIV><FONT color=#000000>Yah Buddy..... we don't need to remind you of what
happened in Waco and to me in Hot Springs.... only I was luckier.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT color=#000000>Wayno</FONT></DIV>
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<A title=ehaury@houston.rr.com href="mailto:ehaury@houston.rr.com">Earl
Haury</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=discussion@nsrca.org
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, August 18, 2005 4:26
PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: Put equity back into snap
judging</DIV>
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<DIV><FONT color=#000000>Buddy</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT color=#000000>The touch & go was fun - and ended many a round
early! I know that you - and others - don't want to hear this, but the best
way to improve your snaps is to cut the snap switch off the transmitter!
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<DIV><FONT color=#000000>Earl</FONT></DIV>
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<A title=BUDDYonRC@aol.com
href="mailto:BUDDYonRC@aol.com">BUDDYonRC@aol.com</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=discussion@nsrca.org
href="mailto:discussion@nsrca.org">discussion@nsrca.org</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, August 18, 2005 1:00
PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: Put equity back into snap
judging</DIV>
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<DIV>In a message dated 8/18/2005 10:44:17 AM Central Daylight Time, <A
href="mailto:ehaury@houston.rr.com">ehaury@houston.rr.com</A> writes:</DIV>
<DIV>Earl </DIV>
<DIV>I agree and because of the present quality of judging I do mine with a
snap switch, all the inputs are there, some are good some are bad but all
are snaps and until the judging quality changes I will continue on this
course, I still get a few zeros but have only learned how to get around poor
judging not how to do a perfect snap every time. I keep practicing them in
practice but in a contest I take the high road my scores for
snap's were respectable the Nats now if I can only find a way to do the same
with spins the second most misjudged maneuver.</DIV>
<DIV>But honestly the current situation is doing nothing to inspire me
otherwise. If we want to do something constructive put the touch and go back
in the pattern but boy would that cause a rumble.</DIV>
<DIV>Buddy </DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>OK guys - let me give you my insight
with regard to the videos, discussion of same, and issues
surrounding flying / judging snaps.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Firstly, the videos are a good exercise and
offer the option to "inspect" various interpretations of snaps. As is
usually the case with video of pattern maneuvers - most views don't
acquire the same clarity / scale as when viewed from the judges line. My
opinion, viewing in real time, is that some are probably snaps and some
are not - but a similar view in actual judging would mean that the
airplane was at 300 or so meters and it would be equally difficult to
evaluate the maneuver. Confirming one's evaluation with slo-mo isn't
available to a judge - but a better view is.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>With regard to eliminating snaps because they
can't be judged - isn't likely to happen and we've had the same discussion
regarding spins (seems snaps have taken the pressure off spins). A very
small number of folks have a mindset that these maneuvers can't be
done properly - so all should be zeroed unless they meet some magical
criteria. This is wrong, pilots need to learn how to do the maneuvers
correctly (and apply this knowledge to their judging). My observation
basis judging 2 days of Masters and half of the F3A finals at the Nats is
that the Masters guys have gotten much better with snaps than in previous
years (having to fly snaps will do that). Some of the F3A guys make them a
thing of beauty (yes - they're snaps, not some sort of "cheat") - others
need to work on them more. </FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Video is an excellent tool for studying one's
own snaps - but the camera must be zoomed on the airplane to give the same
view as the pilot - steady tracking is difficult. A lot has been written
by Don, Dave, Dean, me, and others on how to do the snap as defined in the
rules - review this info and apply it to what you see in your videos.
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I will venture to say that most (if not all)
large departures from track and/or late or no stalls, are as much a
result of slow elevator input as improper travel. Slow / weak servos, lots
of expo, anything that slows the initial pitch movement, will screw-up
snap entry. The guys that appear to "cheat" have figured out how to get a
quick, minimal (yet sufficient) pitch to stall and just enough pitch
and yaw control to maintain a cone so as to return to unstalled attitude
when desired. The rest of us need to work toward that quality and
appreciate it when judging. A good snap doesn't look like a wounded
duck! (Yes, some may try to forego elevator input and fool us with a quick
roll with a yaw waggle - but the lack of pitch break makes judging these
easy.) </FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Earl</FONT></DIV>
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<A title=mailto:gfowler@raytheon.com
href="mailto:gfowler@raytheon.com">Gray E Fowler</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A
title=mailto:discussion@nsrca.org
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, August 17, 2005
8:31 AM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: Put equity back into
snap judging</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV><BR><FONT face=sans-serif size=2>Eric said....</FONT>
<BR><BR><BR><FONT size=3><BR>1. If you can't guarantee to judge it
correctly take it out of AMA <BR>schedules. It is grossly unfair to
penalize pilots this way.</FONT> <BR><BR><BR><FONT face=sans-serif
size=2>Good point, but if we take it out, then me as an Advanced flyer
will never have the chance to learn how to "Cheat" a snap as good as the
FAI guys do. You know....that little no elevator flip that they do to
keep the heading correct and never get a zero cuz they be "insert big
name here". </FONT><BR><BR><FONT face=sans-serif size=2>If the top FAI
guys faced some of the critical snap judging that most of us
ocassionally do, and know one knew their name, they too would remove it
or change the criteria ....according to me.</FONT> <BR><BR><FONT
face=sans-serif size=2>In defense of the individual FAI flyers....the
ones I know are pretty cool guys...just gotta play the game. As the name
recognition goes up, it seems the weenier the snap gets......in other
words, the so called "regular" FAI guy faces a huge disadvantage when
faced with the judging criteria/disparity Eric mentioned plus facing
name recognition. AND as usual....I could be wrong.</FONT> <BR><BR><FONT
face=sans-serif size=2><B>Tonight, I am going to paint my prop all
pretty colors. Can anyone tell me what colors and designs score the
best?</B></FONT> <BR><BR><FONT face=sans-serif size=2><BR><BR><BR>Gray
Fowler<BR>Principal Chemical Engineer<BR>Composites
Engineering</FONT></BLOCKQUOTE></FONT></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV>
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