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<DIV>Consider training if the group can get together before the contest. Plan this training ahead of the contest. The lower classes would need to learn to judge. If you guys can get a group together you could organize a training that will have in the first part discussions of the pattern rule-book and judging tape. This section could be done in winter time that we can not fly. Two or three meetings could be sufficient. After completing the rule-book and the NSRCA tape you could meet at the field in Spring time to do actual judges and pilots training. The pilots (any levels) would fly in front of all judges in training. All judges should score the maneuvers. I suggest that you get pairs so one judge the first round and the second just scribe. After each fly, each scored maneuver is discussed. In the discussion the judge with the lower score should give reasons for the downgrades. The judge with the higher score should explain his high score also. Pilots will get the benefit of having a feedback. You could have F3A pilots to fly the lower classes and introduce errors on purpose. The pilots will give feedback to the judges if they missed to score the errors. I did this last year to train club judges and worked very well. In few practice sections you will see good results. Of course you want to start judging lower classes first and increase the level until you reach F3A class. </DIV>
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<DIV>With best regards,</DIV>
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<DIV>Vicente Bortone</DIV>
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<BLOCKQUOTE style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #1010ff 2px solid">-------------- Original message -------------- <BR><BR>> I think it's a good idea, except I'd suggest not dropping the high and low <BR>> scores. Let them all count and IMO you'll get a better result. <BR>> Dave Burton <BR>> <BR>> -----Original Message----- <BR>> From: discussion-request@nsrca.org <BR>> [mailto:discussion-request@nsrca.org]On Behalf Of Peter Pennisi <BR>> Sent: Wednesday, November 09, 2005 5:42 PM <BR>> To: discussion@nsrca.org <BR>> Subject: F3A judges for local comps <BR>> <BR>> <BR>> <BR>> We currently have a big problem with the number of experienced flyers which <BR>> show up at comps. We have a healthy number of F3A flyers and a good number <BR>> of new and very inexperienced sportsman class flyers. Unfortunately our <BR>> middle ranks have been decimated for reasons I am not really sure about <BR>> (that is a topic for another day). <BR>> <BR>> Anyway this leaves us very short for experienced judges who a capable of <BR>> judging F3A. <BR>> <BR>> We a going to try an experiment by having F3A flyers judge each other for <BR>> the comp. Lets say we have five F3A flyers -while one fly's the others judge <BR>> that flight which gives us four judges. We will drop the highest and lowest <BR>> scores and the other scores will be averaged to arrive at a flight score and <BR>> so forth. <BR>> <BR>> Results for each of the rounds will not be available until the end of the <BR>> comp and flyers are not to discuss anything about judging the flights until <BR>> the end of the comp. <BR>> <BR>> Has anyone tried this and are there any other suggestions we can use to make <BR>> it work. <BR>> <BR>> The approach will fail if competitors team up to try and force a result but <BR>> the guys involved are not that type. <BR>> <BR>> What do you all think? <BR>> <BR>> Peter <BR>> <BR>> <BR>> ===
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