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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>That is another advantage of my electric
Impact. It won't rust. I painted the trim colors with
Rustoleum. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I really like the spray can approach but I'm not
sure I'd use Rustoleum again. It doesn't get as hard as I would like and
there is a limited color selection. After it was done, the guys told me
about a car place in Ventura that would match any color and put it in a spray
can for less than $10. I'll look into that if I ever paint another
one.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Jim O</FONT></DIV>
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<A title=d.pappas@kodeos.com href="mailto:d.pappas@kodeos.com">Dean Pappas</A>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=discussion@nsrca.org
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Friday, November 18, 2005 9:59
AM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> RE: Discussion List
(Batteries)</DIV>
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<DIV><SPAN class=795205717-18112005><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2>Gray,</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=795205717-18112005><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>I
have been testing the E-Funtana since June. My days of E-testing are
paper-towel-free!</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=795205717-18112005><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>I
dusted my airplane the other day, 'cause I felt guilty!</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=795205717-18112005><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>I
will have to oil my tailwheel, so it doesn't rust, though.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=795205717-18112005><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2>VBG,</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=795205717-18112005> <FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2>Dean</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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<P><FONT face="Times New Roman">Dean Pappas</FONT> <BR><FONT
face="Times New Roman">Sr. Design Engineer</FONT> <BR><FONT
face="Times New Roman">Kodeos Communications</FONT> <BR><FONT
face="Times New Roman">111 Corporate Blvd.</FONT> <BR><FONT
face="Times New Roman">South Plainfield, N.J. 07080</FONT> <BR><FONT
face="Times New Roman">(908) 222-7817 phone</FONT> <BR><FONT
face="Times New Roman">(908) 222-2392 fax</FONT> <BR><FONT
face="Times New Roman">d.pappas@kodeos.com</FONT> </P>
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<DIV class=OutlookMessageHeader dir=ltr align=left><FONT face=Tahoma
size=2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B>
discussion-request@nsrca.org [mailto:discussion-request@nsrca.org]<B>On
Behalf Of </B>Gray E Fowler<BR><B>Sent:</B> Friday, November 18, 2005 11:57
AM<BR><B>To:</B> discussion@nsrca.org<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: Discussion List
(Batteries)<BR><BR></FONT></DIV><BR><FONT face=sans-serif
size=2>Richard</FONT> <BR><BR><FONT face=sans-serif size=2>I am not a
battery expert, but like everyone else on the list that does not stop me
from having an opinion about batteries.</FONT> <BR><FONT face=sans-serif
size=2>First, electric airplanes do not exactly drive the battery
market,......even if 50% of the FAI finalists use them. No other
applications </FONT><BR><FONT face=sans-serif size=2>that I am aware of uses
these batteries in the manner that we attempt, which is that massive current
draw. What electric planes do </FONT><BR><FONT face=sans-serif size=2>to
batteries is damaging, as demonstrated by your 25 flights. </FONT>
<BR><FONT face=sans-serif size=2>I would not expect the battery market to
develop a battery capable of long life and extreme current draw since no one
else uses </FONT><BR><FONT face=sans-serif size=2>batteries in such a
manner.</FONT> <BR><BR><FONT face=sans-serif size=2>Invest in bottle of
Windex, clean the oil. </FONT><BR><BR><BR><BR><FONT size=2><TT>In fairness
to the manufacturers, I don't think they really understood that<BR>guys
potentially would go out and fly 50+ flights per week. When I
finally<BR>got all my infrastructure charging act together and made time
to<BR>practice--which wasn't all that much, I still was clicking along at a
35<BR>flight/week pace right up to our first contest in mid June. As
you may<BR>recall, I was using 20C 3200s on a shared cost beta program.
At 11 lbs.,<BR>the airplanes were gobbling up 63-68 amps at times and
significantly heated<BR>the batteries and shortened their lives. The
manufacturer came out with<BR>some 15C 4000s--but there was still the
problem of amp draw and heat. The<BR>consensus at that point is the
batteries aren't very happy at much over 10C.<BR>The problem I had/have is
anything over the smaller batteries was going to<BR>blow the weight
limit--plus, as more information was coming out from some of<BR>the top guys
that they were getting around 50-60 flights on the larger<BR>packs.
Since I'm not a top dog, I would pretty much have to foot the
entire<BR>bill to switch to the larger units. As it appeared to
me--the batteries<BR>just aren't quite up to the task for the average
guy--so I made an interim<BR>decision to go back to IC for the rest of the
season--hoping the battery<BR>guys would come up with something more
acceptable for '06.<BR><BR>That didn't pan out very well either, so I was
effectively out for the<BR>season. (Lots of other contributing factors
also) What I told the battery<BR>manufacturer was what a guy really
needs is five sets of batteries(with the<BR>then current stuff) and
immediate service for turnaround. Have three sets<BR>for flying and
one or two sets traveling to/from.<BR><BR>I'm sold on electric--particularly
for a guy with limited practice time. I<BR>could go on and
on....<BR><BR>Richard</TT></FONT> <BR><FONT face=sans-serif
size=2><BR><BR><BR>Gray Fowler<BR>Principal Chemical Engineer<BR>Composites
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