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<DIV>I've done that after talking with Nat and it helps. </DIV>
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<DIV>I then added some more rudder span by adding a counterbalance on rudder,
and it helped some more. In essence, the vertical tail CP should be raised by
adding vertical area (and span if possible) above the stab line. </DIV>
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<DIV>I was concerned that addition of the extra span on rudder would have
adversely affected roll coupling with rudder, but didn't affect roll couple at
all.</DIV>
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<DIV>Matt</DIV>
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<DIV>In a message dated 12/22/2005 5:36:40 PM Eastern Standard Time,
natpenton@centurytel.net writes:</DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Jim </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>If the airplane goe to the gear in KE increase
the wing incidence and/or add a dorsal
fin. Nat</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
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<A title=mailto:joddino@socal.rr.com
href="mailto:joddino@socal.rr.com">J.Oddino</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A
title=mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">NSRCA Mailing List</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, December 20, 2005 11:08
PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Fw:
Trim</DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Aren't you going to tell us which direction
does what? </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>wing higher = ? pitching moment with
yaw</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>more dorsal = ditto</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>more sub dorsal =ditto</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Jim O</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
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<A title=mailto:natpenton@centurytel.net
href="mailto:natpenton@centurytel.net">Nat Penton</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, December 20, 2005 5:06
PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> [NSRCA-discussion] Fw:
Trim</DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Things are getting a little slow so I decided
to forward this to the list.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; font-color: black"><B>From:</B> <A
title=mailto:natpenton@centurytel.net
href="mailto:natpenton@centurytel.net">Nat Penton</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>To:</B> <A title=mailto:DaveL322@comcast.net
href="mailto:DaveL322@comcast.net">David Lockhart</A> ; <A
title=mailto:pappasfamily@pappasfamily.net
href="mailto:pappasfamily@pappasfamily.net">Dean Pappas</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, November 24, 2005 12:22 AM</DIV>
<DIV><B>Subject:</B> Trim</DIV></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>No one seems to understand the following. It
is not taught in Aero school and I have never seen it in print. Some of
our trim charts even have wing incidence re KE backwards.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>The simple key to understanding the aerobatic
airplane is recognizing the fuselage has a nose down pitching moment when
<U>yawed</U>. This is why all pattern planes evolved to look
alike.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>This is the force that balances, in KE, the
up elevator trim needed to fly straight and level. The force is present
though in all attitudes when yawed.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>The magnitude of the moment is determined by
the wing relationship to the fuselage. The moment can also be changed
by changing the fuselage shape i.e. adding a dorsal or
sub-dorsal.</FONT></DIV>
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Nat</FONT></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></FONT></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV>
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