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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>So, the wing is actually .5 pos to the stab. Very
similar to most pattern models. What is the engine thrust? Do you have the
vertical fin at the cg like your ealier voodoos? Would you say that your fuse
shape has a "stearing" effect in knife edge that would require the wing to be
set at a negative measured to the centerline of the fuse? Interesting. I have
heard of some models needing negative incidence to fly right, whereas some need
positive. Great topic. Terry</FONT></DIV>
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<A title=natpenton@centurytel.net href="mailto:natpenton@centurytel.net">Nat
Penton</A> </DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Monday, January 09, 2006 9:08
PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [NSRCA-discussion]
Axiom</DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Terry,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I can see where my post was confusing. The
fuselage is symmetrical. The wing and thrustline are at 0.4 deg neg
to the fuse C/L and the stab is 0.9 deg neg to the C/L.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>It is not readily apparent that it is flying tail
low. The "incidence" of the fuse produces the pitch to gear moment, when
yawed, needed to balance the lift "down" force of the stab in
KE.</FONT></DIV>
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size=2>
Nat</FONT></DIV>
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<A title=tbrox@cox.net href="mailto:tbrox@cox.net">Terry Brox</A> </DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Wouldn't that mean that the wing is still
positive? How does the fuse look flying by? Does it fly tail low, or is it
level? At this point, what is the thrust set at? If it is set at zero in
relation to the fuse centerline, wouldnt that mean it has positive thrust in
relation to the wing and stab? Wouldnt you get the same effect by setting
the stab at zero, and the wing at .1 positive, and the thrust
at.........? What effect does your fuse shape have on the aerodynamics that
creates these settings? Interesting topic, lets hear more. Thanks,
Terry</FONT></DIV>
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href="mailto:natpenton@centurytel.net">Nat Penton</A> </DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Monday, January 09, 2006 5:34
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>The stab is a negative 0.5 deg to the
wing</FONT></DIV>
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<A title=d.pappas@kodeos.com href="mailto:d.pappas@kodeos.com">Dean
Pappas</A> </DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Monday, January 09, 2006 1:58
PM</DIV>
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<DIV><SPAN class=000025419-09012006><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2>Hi Nat,</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=000025419-09012006><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2>I am a 4-fingered typist, and even so I manage to write a whole
bunch of stuff: both toy airplane and during the day-job. It
works.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=000025419-09012006><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2>So what do you figure causes the stab to see the right effective
AOA?</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=000025419-09012006><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2>This is only the second airplane I have heard of that flies with
a negative wing vs stab incidence.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=000025419-09012006><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2>Have any of the Expresses trimmed zero-zero?</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=000025419-09012006><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2>Dean</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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<P><FONT face="Times New Roman">Dean Pappas</FONT> <BR><FONT
face="Times New Roman">Sr. Design Engineer</FONT> <BR><FONT
face="Times New Roman">Kodeos Communications</FONT> <BR><FONT
face="Times New Roman">111 Corporate Blvd.</FONT> <BR><FONT
face="Times New Roman">South Plainfield, N.J. 07080</FONT> <BR><FONT
face="Times New Roman">(908) 222-7817 phone</FONT> <BR><FONT
face="Times New Roman">(908) 222-2392 fax</FONT> <BR><FONT
face="Times New Roman">d.pappas@kodeos.com</FONT> </P>
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size=2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B>
nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org]<B>On Behalf Of
</B>Nat Penton<BR><B>Sent:</B> Monday, January 09, 2006 2:35
PM<BR><B>To:</B> NSRCA Mailing List<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re:
[NSRCA-discussion] Axiom<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I'm honored. I think I can get Eddie
to send a picture in a day or two.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>BTW another question that would be
appropriate for the Quiz would be " why does the VooDoo Express, which
appears symmetrical, not go to the canopy (ahem) in KE. THe
answer is that it is not symmetrical. The wing is 0.4 deg negative to
the fuse center line.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Some months ago you expressed the opinion
that we might solve the trim mysteries if "we" got our heads together.
I was hesitant to initiate a discussion via E, since I'</FONT><FONT
face=Arial size=2>m a one finger typist<G>. Looks like the only
way, though. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial
size=2>
Regards
Nat</FONT></DIV>
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<A title=d.pappas@kodeos.com href="mailto:d.pappas@kodeos.com">Dean
Pappas</A> </DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Monday, January 09, 2006
9:22 AM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> RE: [NSRCA-discussion]
Axiom</DIV>
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<DIV><SPAN class=031401915-09012006><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2>Axiom ... now there's a good name for a Pattern
ship.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=031401915-09012006><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2>Hey Nat, do you have any high resolution digital pix of the
latest Express? I'd like to use one in this month's (okay, March's)
FM.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=031401915-09012006><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2>later,</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=031401915-09012006><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2>Dean</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<P><FONT face="Times New Roman">Dean Pappas</FONT> <BR><FONT
face="Times New Roman">Sr. Design Engineer</FONT> <BR><FONT
face="Times New Roman">Kodeos Communications</FONT> <BR><FONT
face="Times New Roman">111 Corporate Blvd.</FONT> <BR><FONT
face="Times New Roman">South Plainfield, N.J. 07080</FONT> <BR><FONT
face="Times New Roman">(908) 222-7817 phone</FONT> <BR><FONT
face="Times New Roman">(908) 222-2392 fax</FONT> <BR><FONT
face="Times New Roman">d.pappas@kodeos.com</FONT> </P>
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</B>Nat Penton<BR><B>Sent:</B> Sunday, January 08, 2006 6:04
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[NSRCA-discussion] Axiom<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>You get the most penetration with CA
when you don't want it.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial
size=2>
Nat</FONT></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE>
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