[F3A-Discussion] 2023 Sequences

[Derek Koopowitz]

Thanks for the feedback, Mark.

I do agree on those maneuvers that are just impossible to judge and fly
properly because everyone's interpretation is different.  Would you
increase the difficulty of the unknown maneuvers?  How about the length of
the unknown?  Shorter but more difficult?

Well timed (being able to fit the sequence within 8 minutes) and perhaps
shortening the sequences (F and unknown mainly) to allow for a level
playing field between glow and electric?

On Thu, Feb 1, 2018 at 10:51 AM, Atwood, Mark <atwoodm at paragon-inc.com>
wrote:

> My thoughts are both as a competitor, but also as a TM from the WC’s of
> the past three cycles.
>
> #1 complaint - Ambiguous maneuvers that emphasize regional style over
> technical accuracy.    Top of that list is the Barrel Roll.   Virtually
> impossible to judge without a 3-view image and slow motion.  Then end
> result is that there’s either a whole bunch of 8’s, or worse, you score
> relative to the rest of your flight.  If you fly 8s everywhere else, you
> get an 8 on your BR, if you fly 7’s you’ll get a 7.   Still worse is that
> the benchmark becomes however the best guy at the line does it.  Be that
> Andrew or Christophe or even me.  If there’s a lot of variations on how it
> can be done correctly, invariably their will be poor and inconsistent
> judging.
>
> I’d also argue that the 6-point roll, while technically observable, was
> very difficult to judge (or fly) accurately as visually discerning a 60deg
> wing angle at 150 meters is also virtually impossible.
>
> I’m with Earl that I’m not a big fan of the 3D position adjusting
> maneuvers as they somewhat punish you for holding your line and force an
> in/out correction UNLESS they follow a drift maneuver like a spin.
>
>
> P & F have been reasonably well timed, although F17 was a bit long.  The
> unknowns though often have a series of very large, very long center
> maneuvers and with the addition of all the KE turn arounds, create
> schedules that have pilots dangerously taking off downwind and racing into
> the box in order to maximize their time.  We’ve done better with the timing
> rules to avoid running airplanes out to the flight line, but it seems like
> racing to finish in 8min wasn’t really the intention of the rule.
>
> Also agree with Earl that a nice mix of Snaps, Integration and KE makes
> for a nice pattern. And it can lean heavy in one direction or another (more
> snaps, more KE) year to year, but should avoid being toooo heavy.  F11 with
> 11 snaps was a bit much.
>
>
> PERSONALLY, I’d like to see P be a little (emphasis on LITTLE) more
> challenging to better establish position in the prelims.  F be slightly
> LESS challenging so it’s not such a daunting barrier to entry into FAI.
> And leave the Unknowns as the final true separator of men from boys.
>
> -M
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> On Jan 31, 2018, at 2:38 PM, Derek Koopowitz via F3A-Discussion <
> f3a-discussion at lists.f3a.us> wrote:
>
> I’d be interested in your opinions on how to move forward with new
> sequences for F3A.  These are the questions I have:
>
>
>    1. Do we want to design sequences that can be flown at 150m and avoid
>    a lot of maneuvers that have rolling options in the downlines which would
>    give an advantage to slower models?  In other words keep the sequence close
>    and smallish?
>    2. More or less snaps?
>    3. More or less KE maneuvers?
>    4. More or less integrated rolling maneuvers?
>    5. Use more 3D maneuvers (maneuvers that move in and out)?
>    6. Shorter F and Unknown sequences (down to 15 maneuvers) but making
>    them more difficult?  Take a look at the Unlimited IMAC sequence for
>    instance – only 10 maneuvers but very challenging.
>
>
> Any other options?
>
> Best,
> -Derek
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